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So I thought I knew the answer but was since told I am wrong. Can a model still be slain if they roll a 1 to hit for overcharged plasma weapon and they have a +1 modifier? Example: Lukas the trickster gives blood claws +1 to hit rolls. So if my bloodclaw rolls a 1 is he still slain?

It's still a miss because it's a 1 on the dice. The +1 brings the number to a 2 after modifiers and it does not explode. Modifiers do in fact affect plasma explosions.

So for clarification then my unit cannot kill itself with overcharge?

From the Designers Commentary:

Q: When making a hit roll with a supercharged plasma weapon, do you determine whether a ‘1’ was rolled before or after applying re-rolls and modifiers?

A: You apply all re-rolls and modifiers first.

For example, if, after re-rolls and modifiers, the final result is then a 1 (or counts as a 1, as explained above), then the supercharged plasma weapon injures or kills the firer.

TheunlikelyGamer wrote:
So for clarification then my unit cannot kill itself with overcharge?

This seems to be the case.

However there are plenty of ways other armies can affect you to hit rolls (like shooting at Alaitoc Craftworld outside of 12” and most scout cloaks).

Or moving and firing heavy plasma guns.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:

TheunlikelyGamer wrote:
So for clarification then my unit cannot kill itself with overcharge?

This seems to be the case.

However there are plenty of ways other armies can affect you to hit rolls (like shooting at Alaitoc Craftworld outside of 12” and most scout cloaks).

Or moving and firing heavy plasma guns.

Soooo... if I shoot at Raven Guard with -1 To Hit, a 1 no longer kills my plasma, but a 2 does?

If you had no other modifiers yes.

Shooting at an elder flyer with altioc would kill you on a 3

Moving and shooting a hvy plasma cannon at said Elder flyer would kill you on a 4

Moving with a hvy plasma cannon at night shooting at said. Elder flyer (-4) means you won't hit and die on 5 or less.

THE_GODLYNESS wrote:
Elder flyer (-4) means you won't hit and die on 5 or less.

Why would I die on 5 or less? On 5? Yeah, sure, I get it. BUt would I die when rolling a 4 and then applying a -4 modifier? Plasma overcharge says bearer is slain on a roll of 1.

One is the minimum. Modifiers can't reduce it below 1, even though they can increase things above 6.

Chrysis wrote:
One is the minimum. Modifiers can't reduce it below 1, even though they can increase things above 6.

Where is this stated?

 Hanskrampf wrote:

Chrysis wrote:
One is the minimum. Modifiers can't reduce it below 1, even though they can increase things above 6.

Where is this stated?

1 is a fail - Shooting rules, Hit Roll
Can go above 6 - statlines and hit rolls needing a 6+

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 Hanskrampf wrote:

Chrysis wrote:
One is the minimum. Modifiers can't reduce it below 1, even though they can increase things above 6.

Where is this stated?

1 is a fail - Shooting rules, Hit Roll

Before modifiers are applied, so this doesn't matter right now.

Can go above 6 - statlines and hit rolls needing a 6+

Still not a confirmation that stats can't be decreased below 1.

Read the designers commentary.

I would also love to know this.

Plasma weapons explode on exactly a 1, not on a failed hit and not on a '1 or less'.

So we do need a bit of rule text that says modifiers can not bring a dice roll below 1.

On a sidenote:
This means that if 3+ to hit plasma guns overcharge on a -2 to hit target, they die on a 3 and do not get to reroll, as it is a natural hit, correct?

 Hanskrampf wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 Hanskrampf wrote:

Chrysis wrote:
One is the minimum. Modifiers can't reduce it below 1, even though they can increase things above 6.

Where is this stated?

1 is a fail - Shooting rules, Hit Roll

Before modifiers are applied, so this doesn't matter right now.

Can go above 6 - statlines and hit rolls needing a 6+

Still not a confirmation that stats can't be decreased below 1.

Stats is not the same as hit rolls. That's elsewhere in the Core Rules, under Modifiers. It's a very short document, recommend being super familiar with it!

And no, 1 is always a fail. Nothing can be modified below 1, and the 'hit roll' is not finalised until you've applied modifiers. So if the result is a 1, after modifiers, it's a 1. If it's zero or less, counts as 1. All in the rules, dude.

p5freak wrote:
Read the designers commentary.

Edit: okay, disregard. I found it.

https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Warhammer_40000_Designers_Commentary.pdf

Q: Can a dice roll ever be modified to less than 1?
A: No. If, after all modifiers have been applied, a dice
roll would be less than 1, count that result as a 1

HMint wrote:

On a sidenote:
This means that if 3+ to hit plasma guns overcharge on a -2 to hit target, they die on a 3 and do not get to reroll, as it is a natural hit, correct?

Yes. They die on a roll of 1, 2 and 3 because a dice can never be modified below 1. See designers commentary.

Wow that's...janky.

 Infantryman wrote:
Wow that's...janky.

They could have just as easily said it overheats or "1 or less" and miss on "1 or less". Either way is the same.

Well, more for the possibility to overheat on 2's and 3's than the whole 1 is a floor thing.

Well you have the option of not over charging and not killing yourself on a 1. So if you don't like the odds don't overcharge your plasma.

Don't know why this keeps coming up and people having fits about it. New plasma is better when you overcharge it. Downside negative to hit modifiers will bite you, upside it's now an option to risk it or not.

So it all balances out.