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I have heard a lot of skuttlebutt about Disney trying to create their own streaming service with Star Wars, Disney, Mand Marvel content. I have also seen that Disney has ended their contract with Netflix.

I know Season 3 of DD, and Season 2 of JJ, LC, and Punisher were all green lit. What I do not know is if these are still going to be Netflix shows or if they are Disney shows?

Where willl I find this content in the future?

If I remember right, the contract with Netflix comes to an end in 2019 (also when Disney plan to launch their new service, and the new Star Wars series).

Between now and then, I think we're due at least JJ2, DD3, LC2 and IF2, possibly not another round of Defenders or Punisher though. They did release 3 series this year (IF, Defenders, Punisher) so it's possible we might get another series of everything by the time the contract is up.

Punisher S2 on Netflix was confirmed this week and I updated the thread here with the (sparse) details.

The key things to remember when thinking about how this deal will affect any specific thing are: Disney are "family friendly" under their own branding but are perfectly willing to fund anything including dodgy sexytime stuff and full on gore-horror through other labels and sublabels they own(they ran Miramax and through it Dimension until a couple of years back), and also they really, really, really like money.

The Netflix shows won't end up on the Disney-branded service because shows navigating sexual assault & domestic abuse, the intersection of criminality with structural racism, the morality of violence etc via the mediums of hard drinking, swearing, and punching things bloody contravene the former, but so long as Disney keep getting a nice tasty wad of cash the Netflix shows will continue to exist, unless the two have a massive petty "falling out" and start trying to screw with each other.

 Yodhrin wrote:
The key things to remember when thinking about how this deal will affect any specific thing are: Disney are "family friendly" under their own branding but are perfectly willing to fund anything including dodgy sexytime stuff and full on gore-horror through other labels and sublabels they own(they ran Miramax and through it Dimension until a couple of years back), and also they really, really, really like money.

The Netflix shows won't end up on the Disney-branded service because shows navigating sexual assault & domestic abuse, the intersection of criminality with structural racism, the morality of violence etc via the mediums of hard drinking, swearing, and punching things bloody contravene the former, but so long as Disney keep getting a nice tasty wad of cash the Netflix shows will continue to exist, unless the two have a massive petty "falling out" and start trying to screw with each other.

I think your very wrong. Disney, like netflix can create a family freindly listing and a all inclusive listing. If they are going to enter the steaming service market they know they need to throw everything at it.

Disney streaming for family friendly?

Rebadged hulu for adult?


My mate pointed out that Disney already have a streaming service for their animated films. - Where does that all fit into it.

 Lance845 wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
The key things to remember when thinking about how this deal will affect any specific thing are: Disney are "family friendly" under their own branding but are perfectly willing to fund anything including dodgy sexytime stuff and full on gore-horror through other labels and sublabels they own(they ran Miramax and through it Dimension until a couple of years back), and also they really, really, really like money.

The Netflix shows won't end up on the Disney-branded service because shows navigating sexual assault & domestic abuse, the intersection of criminality with structural racism, the morality of violence etc via the mediums of hard drinking, swearing, and punching things bloody contravene the former, but so long as Disney keep getting a nice tasty wad of cash the Netflix shows will continue to exist, unless the two have a massive petty "falling out" and start trying to screw with each other.

I think your very wrong. Disney, like netflix can create a family freindly listing and a all inclusive listing. If they are going to enter the steaming service market they know they need to throw everything at it.

Which is why they acquired Fox's 30% stake in Hulu to add to their existing 30% stake in Hulu, essentially putting them in control of that service as well. As far as I know the reliable rumour is they're still planning to launch their own service that will not just be a rename of Hulu, which will feature original Disney branded content. I think it's highly unlikely they'll risk any "Parent Subs To Disney Service For Princesses, Small Child Accidentally Sees Boobies!" headlines when they already have a firmly established MO - family friendly under the Disney brand, everything else under the brand of one of their subsidiaries - and have just acquired everything they need - a controlling interest in Hulu and Fox's TV production apparatus and back catalogue - to continue following that MO as they push harder into online streaming.

I'm pretty sure they already stated that they're going to pull all shows/films from netflix for their own service when the contract runs out.

Disney didn't care about Hulu. They got it as a bonus. What they wanted as the rights to Spider-Man (that's own by Sony isn't it?), X-Men, and Fantastic Four back, as well as the rights to Star Wars original trilogy's original cuts. There's a lot of bonuses in the deal so it was a no brainer but they didn't go into that to get Hulu.

 LordofHats wrote:
I'm pretty sure they already stated that they're going to pull all shows/films from netflix for their own service when the contract runs out.

Disney didn't care about Hulu. They got it as a bonus. What they wanted as the rights to Spider-Man (that's own by Sony isn't it?), X-Men, and Fantastic Four back, as well as the rights to Star Wars original trilogy's original cuts. There's a lot of bonuses in the deal so it was a no brainer but they didn't go into that to get Hulu.

That's completely backwards. The Marvel stuff is the bonus in this deal for Disney, it's Fox's TV studio, network infrastructure, back catalogue, and Hulu stake that the deal was about from the beginning - Disney want to be as strong in TV and streaming as they are in the movie industry, that's what they were after out of Fox, whether or not they can add Dr Doom to the MCU is a footnote in their thinking.

Disney already has TV studios, network infrastracutre, and back catalogue. They didn't need Fox for any of it. The value was in core IP rights.

Fox television and reach were orders of magnitude larger than disney. They got major euro distribution, foxes huge library, aND got majority stake in one of the 2 major streaming services. Xmen and the missing marvel pieces were good but not 54 billion good.

I feel like people might be forgetting that Disney owns ABC. Fox has a better tv presence sure but Fox retained its sports and news media channels which are the bulk of their TV presence. Disney already has Euro distribution.

The huge library was the real prize. Setting aside now having full control over marvel assets effectively (with Spider-Man effectively reentering their control in key ways), they also now have Avatar, Alien (save it from Ridley please...), Power Rangers (fox still has distributions rights on that right?), Archer, Justified, the Americans, American Horror Story, Always Sunny in Philadelphia, Fargo. That's just off the top of my head. Not to mention they now hold the rights to air The Walking Dead internationally.*

All the material and distribution assets are things Disney already has. The deal is about becoming an even bigger IP giant than they already were.

*Some more I pulled from Wiki; Ice Age, Kingsmen, Die Hard, Fight Club, Predator, X-Files, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, COPS, Simpsons, Family Guy, American Dad, Bob's Burgers, King of the Hill. Disney basically owns Animated entertainment at this point and has so many legacy IPs that they don't even have to develop anything for. Sure the resources of 21st Century Fox and Friends will be useful but that's not what the deal was about. Hulu, studios, and distribution assets are bonuses in a deal that is ultimately about IP rights.

Well all I can say is the industry press thinks different and I'm inclined to agree with them.

Also, that's a tidy bit of goalpost shifting there, we went from Marvel being the point to the whole Fox catalogue being the point, which I believe I actually already mentioned.

 LordofHats wrote:
I'm pretty sure they already stated that they're going to pull all shows/films from netflix for their own service when the contract runs out.

Disney didn't care about Hulu. They got it as a bonus. What they wanted as the rights to Spider-Man (that's own by Sony isn't it?), X-Men, and Fantastic Four back, as well as the rights to Star Wars original trilogy's original cuts. There's a lot of bonuses in the deal so it was a no brainer but they didn't go into that to get Hulu.

Yeah, I agree with Yodhrin on this. As popular as some movies in the library are, that isn't a huge draw for Disney- thats legacy rights money well past its peak, and X/FF are pretty bruised at this point, so even if they can rehabilitate them, 1 new movie from each title every couple years isn't significant money for Disney. More control over TV, streaming and distribution in general matters a lot more. Having a majority of Hulu and their own service puts a pinch on Netflix and Amazon, and yanking the Fox stuff from Netflix hurts Netflix a great deal.

I think you're vastly over-valuing IPs. A healthy industry will keep generating more and more IPs as a matter of course, and more and more developers, writers and so on will come under the Disney umbrella as they control more distribution. Old IPs still require money to kick back out into the world, especially in movie/TV form, as you still have shoot the thing, pay for all the CGI wallpaper, and do all the other stuff you'd have to do for a film with a new IP. And that's certainly true for X-men and FF, as they'd be idiots to try to run with the bombs Fox turned those movies into.
Yeah, they can reuse the sets- those are largely empty rooms with green screens- not exactly money saving at this point in the industry.

Sure, selling a remaster of the Star Wars OT for the 5th or 6th time will make a couple bucks during the holidays, but seriously, so what? In Disney's record books that falls under 'other income, miscellaneous'

The Fox network and the horribleness that is FX don't matter as much to FOX Corp. as their sports and media holdings, but they matter to disney. Again, it's a matter of control and distribution- this deal almost doubles their TV presence on basic cable (or lower 66) channels, and on the big networks. (Fox/NBC/CBS/ABC)

But the big question?

Will Disney have the cajones to finally put The Simpsons out of it's misery?

And hopefully cancel Family Guy along with it?

Questions that, apparently, not a lot of people are asking or wanting an 'answer' to?

If those shows are still making money, then...probably not?

But The Simpsons is dire these days.

And I just personally can't stand Family Guy

It's probably best if Disney doesn't base too many decisions on what MDG thinks though, right?

I agree with him, so that's two,

 Alpharius wrote:
It's probably best if Disney doesn't base too many decisions on what MDG thinks though, right?

Y tho?

Ha - fair enough!

Full steam ahead!

Voss wrote:

The Fox network and the horribleness that is FX don't matter as much to FOX Corp. as their sports and media holdings, but they matter to disney. Again, it's a matter of control and distribution- this deal almost doubles their TV presence on basic cable (or lower 66) channels, and on the big networks. (Fox/NBC/CBS/ABC)

They specifically CANNOT have the Fox Network. But I may have missed your point, I admit. They are getting the movie rights, certain TV IP rights, and their distribution, which are all huge.

Per the FCC, no one company can own or combine Fox, NBC, ABC, or CBS.

https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/fccs-review-broadcast-ownership-rules

Dual TV Network Ownership
FCC rules effectively prohibit a merger between any two of these networks: ABC, CBS, Fox, and NBC.

Per the original annoucement: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/14/business/dealbook/disney-fox-deal.html

Not included in the acquisition: Fox News, the Fox broadcast network and the FS1 sports cable channel.

20th Century Fox will still own those. Possibly to sell to someone that can purchase them? /speculation

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
I agree with him, so that's two,

Make that three of us. And wait, Simpsons is STILL running?!?

If you didn't know, or care, why pee in someone else's cereal?

 LordofHats wrote:
I'm pretty sure they already stated that they're going to pull all shows/films from netflix for their own service when the contract runs out.

Disney didn't care about Hulu. They got it as a bonus. What they wanted as the rights to Spider-Man (that's own by Sony isn't it?), X-Men, and Fantastic Four back, as well as the rights to Star Wars original trilogy's original cuts. There's a lot of bonuses in the deal so it was a no brainer but they didn't go into that to get Hulu.

That couldn't be more bass ackwards Hatman.

This was never about X-Men or Fantastic 4. This was about 20th Century Fox's back catalogue of TV and movies for their streaming service, which will either be Hulu or based off of Hulu's infrastructure.

Didn't care about Hulu? Are you mad???

I think one of the things some of us are a little confused about is how important is Hulu.

It doesn't exist in the UK, so it's kinda hard having context about the importance of it. EG, is it comparable to, for example, Netflix or is it some random back of the beyond thing.

 Compel wrote:
I think one of the things some of us are a little confused about is how important is Hulu.

It doesn't exist in the UK, so it's kinda hard having context about the importance of it. EG, is it comparable to, for example, Netflix or is it some random back of the beyond thing.

It's one of the two main streaming services in the US. And unlike Netflix a lot of the shows are available during the season that's running (normally only back about 8 episodes back but still available). The Hulu get is huge. Between that and the Euro distribution that Fox has that's the driving force behind 54 billion. They wouldn't get that back out of xmen/f4 movies or selling original trilogy wouldn't scratch that cost for decades at the current rate.

 kronk wrote:

Voss wrote:

The Fox network and the horribleness that is FX don't matter as much to FOX Corp. as their sports and media holdings, but they matter to disney. Again, it's a matter of control and distribution- this deal almost doubles their TV presence on basic cable (or lower 66) channels, and on the big networks. (Fox/NBC/CBS/ABC)

They specifically CANNOT have the Fox Network. But I may have missed your point, I admit. They are getting the movie rights, certain TV IP rights, and their distribution, which are all huge.

Per the FCC, no one company can own or combine Fox, NBC, ABC, or CBS.

https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/fccs-review-broadcast-ownership-rules

Ah- I missed that, for whatever reason I thought it was on the list. Though FCC rules...can change
Still, they are getting FX, which is another 'basic cable' entertainment channel to take their programming.


@Compel- yeah, as Hulksmash says, it actually has current shows, which is a big deal, especially with the way cable providers bill for channels in the US (a basic package + an increasing flotilla of extras). So while you can watch past seasons of Gotham on Netflix, you can watch the last few week's episodes on Hulu. (on the other hand, Hulu doesn't currently have the past seasons, or even the first half of this season, just the last 5 episodes)
And Hulu's current expansion offers include live TV with sports and HBO/Showtime/Cinemax access, so they're clearly trying to position to replace cable altogether.

Though I'd argue its one of three streaming services. Amazon Prime has a bizarre amalgamation of stuff, but quite a lot of it.

I don't really count prime because it's terrible to navigate. It's more of a bonus for the free shipping like the twitch subscription. I had considered adding it to the other two but I don't think it's at the same level at the moment.