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I know we already have a discussion topic for it, but I'm really interested to see some numbers for how Dakka received the film. Rotten Tomatoes indicates that only about 54% of those who voted on the site liked it, but IMDB has a significantly higher score.

Was alright. Decent. It didn't suck. I didn't hate it.

Worthy praise, indeed!

You know what else I don't hate? Women's Beach Volleyball.

Just saw this article that says Rotten Tomatoes said the low audience is genuine and not a result of manipulation.

https://www.cbr.com/last-jedi-rotten-tomatoes-score-defense/

Oh you poor man, you gave DakkaDakka a chance to roll in salt.

Just bear in mind that we aren't representative of larger society

Oh, I get that. I'm guessing that as a group we may have stronger feelings about SW than the general population, that's why I'm curious what we think.

I voted yes, though its a very, conflicted like. And there is no option for that.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
I voted yes, though its a very, conflicted like. And there is no option for that.

I don't know if you can change your vote, but I created a new category to represent that choice.

I liked it for the most part. There are definitely some issues IMO, but nothing so shattering that it took me completely out of immersion while watching the movie and made me want to walk out.

2/5 stars

The Star Wars franchise has not been so transparently cynical since the prequels trilogy. One (or technically two) rewarding scenes cannot overcome dead-weight, dead-end plotlines, relentless tone deaf humor, and bizarre characterizations of beloved characters.

 bbb wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
I voted yes, though its a very, conflicted like. And there is no option for that.

I don't know if you can change your vote, but I created a new category to represent that choice.

There is not away to, but thanks for adding the option. Conflicted as I may be though, I feel that yes is an apt enough response.

 bbb wrote:
I know we already have a discussion topic for it, but I'm really interested to see some numbers for how Dakka received the film. Rotten Tomatoes indicates that only about 54% of those who voted on the site liked it, but IMDB has a significantly higher score.

I'm not sure how to vote. I really had fun watching it but I don't think it was a good movie.


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I kind of wonder if people who enjoyed the Ewok Adventure movies liked TLJ. They seem to require the same mindset.


To quote Screen Junkies: "Okay, movie. You're the movie."

Everything that is wrong with modern blockbusters, in one convenient single movie.
A real deal!


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 bbb wrote:
but IMDB has a significantly higher score.

Because there is no evident user score.

I liked it for the visuals mostly. They were stunning and I have a soft spot for the continued aesthetic of the original trilogy. The movie is good in that sense. I rate it around a 2.5 / 5 overall.

The story tho was abit rubbish and all over the shop and often left me second guessing whats going on.

A few moments like when Rey went below the island to visit Harry Potter's Mirror of Erised. Like seriously, why did Rey suddenly start going up to a frosted over mirror rock thing and start asking to see her parents.
Does the mirror rock thing even have that power? We'd only been told whatever was under the island was somehow linked to the darkside.

There's also Princess Leia, spacefairy.

Another being how the supposedly stronge darkside user we've seen didnt have any backstory of where he came from at all bar he exists to justify the plot.
That was ok for the emperor when star wars didnt have an overly established setting but feels lacking when it pops up in the series 8th installment.
And then he cant even sense the force interferring with a lightsaber thats right next to him. Thats worse than when Darth Maul got chopped in half by Obi-Wan.
Atleast Maul was distracted by Obi-Wan flying up out of the pit when he got killed. This new muppet couldn't even keep track of the lightsaber that Rey had already tried pinching once.

Snoke was only cut in half. He could come back with robotic arms and legs. Of course, everyone will be worried about droids by then. Droids stronger than any Darkside user ever. Then the next villain will be an artificial being made from the DNA of the galaxy's strongest force users. You better believe he will be deadlier than those droids. The one after that will be some kind of demon baby...

I at first thought Snoke on the throne there was a droid, since they pretty callously showed his body for multiple scenes after that. Including having it fall over part way through.

Is interesting how closely this is mirroring the Rotten Tomatoes site so far.

I voted yes, but I have to define what "yes" meant.

IMHO there are only 3 star wars, the second and the third trilogy are all bad compared to the original masterpiece. Honestly EP VII and VIII were mediocre or average, but the typical american blockbuster is mediocre or average.

I enjoyed The Last Jedi (I rated it with 6/10 on IMDB) as a decent action sci-movie made by Disney, I've never had any expectations about it.

I really enjoyed the film. It was kind of dumb but I expect most Disney movies to be enjoyably dumb. Didn't expect too much out of it and had a good time.

The plot was a mess. The director clearly loved nBSG more than he did SW. The casino planet detour was complete waste of film. Johnson's trashing of JJ's set up renders TFA worthless (or more worthless, really). Chewie did nothing other than be the crux of cut-away gags. R2 did nothing. 3P0 did nothing. Haldo's entire plotline makes no sense. Leia turned into a space wizard for some reason.

And they killed my fav character.

Did not enjoy it.

OP

Did I like the film? Yes. Did I like everything about the film? No.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The plot was a mess. The director clearly loved nBSG more than he did SW. The casino planet detour was complete waste of film. Johnson's trashing of JJ's set up renders TFA worthless (or more worthless, really). Chewie did nothing other than be the crux of cut-away gags. R2 did nothing. 3P0 did nothing. Haldo's entire plotline makes no sense. Leia turned into a space wizard for some reason.

And they killed my fav character.

Did not enjoy it.

Hey, there's nothing more exciting that a slow speed chase involving massive spacecraft. Also makes me want to go back to A New Hope and see how that Star Destroyer caught up to the Rebel Blockade Runner...

One of the annoying things was the magic jump in technology that has galaxy shaking effects. Being able to track hyperspace jumps felt like being able to transport anywhere in the galaxy even at warp speed in Star Trek (2009) and Khan's magic blood in Into Darkenss.

It was a fun and exciting cinema experience. Very "Marvel". Lots of beautiful special effects, impressive shots, choreographed action, etc. For a couple hours of dramatic entertainment, it was great.

As a cohesive story and structured narrative, as the continuation of a saga and as an intelligible, self consistent plot, it's complete and total garbage, screenwriting diarrhea without exaggeration.

What you're looking for will probably determine your answer between the two.

Ultimately I walked out of there thinking "I don't ever need to see another Star Wars now". I will of course, but probably not in theatres, certainly not opening night, and I dont care enough to avoid spoilers for anything that happens going forward, my emotional investment in the series is now gone.

 Vaktathi wrote:
my emotional investment in the series is now gone

This is my feeling. In the theater, I was stunned. The next couple of days, I felt angry. Now I am just empty about it. I realized it was meant to be disposable. The movie was exactly like a bucket of popcorn - something you mindlessly eat and then never think about again.

 Manchu wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
my emotional investment in the series is now gone

This is my feeling. In the theater, I was stunned. The next couple of days, I felt angry. Now I am just empty about it. I realized it was meant to be disposable. The movie was exactly like a bucket of popcorn - something you mindlessly eat and then never think about again.

Pretty much me as well. Although I do enjoy the youtube videos that trash talk it. Instead of buying another ticket and seeing TLJ again, I can help give some youtubers some money. Anyone Angry Joe's Angry Review?

 Vaktathi wrote:
It was a fun and exciting cinema experience. Very "Marvel". Lots of beautiful special effects, impressive shots, choreographed action, etc. For a couple hours of dramatic entertainment, it was great.

As a cohesive story and structured narrative, as the continuation of a saga and as an intelligible, self consistent plot, it's complete and total garbage, screenwriting diarrhea without exaggeration.

What you're looking for will probably determine your answer between the two.

Ultimately I walked out of there thinking "I don't ever need to see another Star Wars now". I will of course, but probably not in theatres, certainly not opening night, and I dont care enough to avoid spoilers for anything that happens going forward, my emotional investment in the series is now gone.

I hit that with TFA.


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 Manchu wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
my emotional investment in the series is now gone

This is my feeling. In the theater, I was stunned. The next couple of days, I felt angry. Now I am just empty about it. I realized it was meant to be disposable. The movie was exactly like a bucket of popcorn - something you mindlessly eat and then never think about again.

Wow wow back up, I have fond memories of my last bowl of popcorn!

 Manchu wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
my emotional investment in the series is now gone

This is my feeling. In the theater, I was stunned. The next couple of days, I felt angry. Now I am just empty about it. I realized it was meant to be disposable. The movie was exactly like a bucket of popcorn - something you mindlessly eat and then never think about again.

The thing that gets me is that for about 30 years the end of RotJ was the happy ending and the prequels did nothing to mitigate that even with how bad they were. Now with the new trilogy we see that at the end of RotJ:

The Jedi did not return

The Rebel Alliance did not vanquish the Empire, but merely paused it so it could be reshaped into Space-Nazis

Han and Leia did not live happily ever after

Darth Vader's redemption was not remembered, only this tyranny, which would eventually be revisited by his grandson

Luke was a terrible teacher and uncle, and Leia and Han were terrible parents

Luke and Han both ran from their troubles instead of trying to correct them

The Skywalkers were not the solution to the balance of the Force.

 Manchu wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
my emotional investment in the series is now gone

This is my feeling. In the theater, I was stunned. The next couple of days, I felt angry. Now I am just empty about it. I realized it was meant to be disposable. The movie was exactly like a bucket of popcorn - something you mindlessly eat and then never think about again.

I had that feeling during the prequels. My friends had to drag me to RotS, and I cringed though most of the movie. Then came TFA and did it to me all over again. Star Wars is dead. Letting go is liberating.

I actually liked TFA. I thought it was bad that TFA did not sufficiently characterize Rey but I figured they would certainly get around to it in TLJ. Nope. Fool me once, etc. (I think it's pretty well known around here thanks to my ranting that I don't like R1.)

bbb, don't forget Luke wasted his whole life doing nothing

It's always been my opinion that the original trilogy geing any good was a happy accident. There were enough talented people involved facing enough challenges and limitations that forced them into a mode of creative thought, that the end result was teeming with promise and life. The prequel trilogy shows what happens when all of those challenges and limitations go away, and you give one guy, who's frankly kind of a hack, the reigns to do with as he will. In Lucas' case, his ego project turned out to be about trade disputes and marketing hard to children.

TLJ is what happens when you take even that lone hack away from his brainchild, and hand control over to a committee of corporate executives. Everything that gave it a sense of life and internal consistency is gone - no more Alan Dean Fosters to clean up the story, no more George Lucas with his goofy ideas about interstellar dynasties and economics (and gungans), just a bunch of people in a sterile corporate office whose only qualifications to work on a sprawling sci-fi space opera is that they've made some studio a lot of money in the past.

TLJ felt a bit cartoony/marvel esque and somehow despite being one of the longest SW movies failed to develop most of its characters in any meaningful way. And introduced more cringey ones along the way. The world building left a bit to be desired too.