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Forgive my ignorance folks, but my copy is in the mail and for those of you who already have their copy what are we looking at for changes?
I know Invisibility is thankfully gone and replaced with something sane.

Grenades can be used in melee

Daemons have generic profiles now

Old invisibility replaced with something much better (for everyone else)

The volkite demi-culverin is now 'heavy 4' apparently.

Can't tell if typo or not but book 4 has it as 'heavy 5'

edit: just noticed that the phased plasma fusil is now officially a 'plasma weapon' - pair it up with a Haemotrope Reactor for possibly a worse trollfest than quad mortars with phosphex...

A base size myrmidon secutor squad with all ppfusils next to a reactor puts out 18 small blasts with S6 AP3 that ignore night-fighting effects per turn for 240 pts

A base size thallax squad with one in the same place gives three of the same small blasts, but instead of ignoring night-fighting they get -2 to cover saves

Give a ppfusil to an archmagos ordinator, mastercraft it and those three templates become armourbane, rerollable scatter and a jump pack to do a tau impression (and ignoring night fighting with additional infravisor)

Ouch!

 SirDonlad wrote:


edit:When generating warp charge the controlling player rolls a d6 and both players get that many warp charge dice...

perils of the warp is variable on a d6; from suffering a wound like normal, through instant death and after effects on attached units, loss of warp charge, all the way to taking a Ld test to turn the perils wound into crazy buffs!

if all your characters powers come from one discipline you automatically get the primaris power too

you can attempt deny the witch even if your stuff isn't affected by it...

So, the standard 7th ed psychic power rules? none of that is different.

WindstormSCR wrote:


So, the standard 7th ed psychic power rules? none of that is different.

You haven't been using 6th edition like was originally intended?

Filthy casual.

The biggest change I've seen people talking about is that the updated Lord of War section - which presumably trumps the version in the Age of Darkness Army List red book - omits Questoris Knights, meaning you can now only get them as an allied detachment.

 Gashrog wrote:
The biggest change I've seen people talking about is that the updated Lord of War section - which presumably trumps the version in the Age of Darkness Army List red book - omits Questoris Knights, meaning you can now only get them as an allied detachment.

Ya only exception is admech that can still use the War Machine Squadron for them.

Donald knows what's up, oh aye.
Just wish the Cynis Ejector counted; Rite of Destruction on that thing, ooh.

Hector Cephas did a quick review,
http://battlebunnies.blogspot.co.uk/2017/12/horus-heresy-age-of-darkness-rulebook.html

Things that stand out: [That weren't already mentioned]
"if there is a AoD datasheet for the [LoW] in question then that will trump all other legacy versions of it (so Imperial Armour, 40k Apocalypse, etc). For example, if you wish to use a Baneblade in a Legiones Astartes army list, you must use either the Solar Auxillia or the Militia Cults datasheet for the Baneblade"
Not sure how that'll effect non-FW Baneblade variants (looking at the Escalation book), where they have explicitly 40k rules, not 30k rules.

"models must be at least 25% obscured to gain the cover save granted by the Fortification in question - no hiding big tanks behind tiny walls."
Unless you get funny with hill slopes, as it were.

"just the older pre-Wall of Martyrs fortifications exist in AoD however it appears that on top of that, the Fortress of Redemption and the Skyshield Landing Pad are also conspicuous in their absence."
So no pipes (and thus no boosting flamers) or Void Shield Generators, etc.


That grenade thing is nice; as I believe, they've removed the restriction of only being able to use one per turn, even if the whole unit has them.
If that is the case, Ferroxian Thallax might actually be able to murder Landraiders now.

 Red_Five wrote:
Grenades can be used in melee

Daemons have generic profiles now

Against everything? Or just vehicles?

 Buddingsquaw wrote:
Donald knows what's up, oh aye.
Just wish the Cynis Ejector counted; Rite of Destruction on that thing, ooh.

Filth!! FIIIILLTH!!!!!

>breathes in<

Mfw, i'm almost glad it isn't a plasma weapon!



I notice that the terrain section starts by explaining that all fortifications and fortification networks have a datasheet included in the box - this is true for most gw terrain (they usually have one in it's assembly instrucctions) my munitorum armoured containers had one, as did my haemotrope reactor - the fly in the ointment is the skysheild landing pad which never had a datasheet because it was inside the 6th edition rule book..

The other thing which burns a little but also gives hope for the future is that all the new fancy terrain (plasma pipes, plasma regulators) don't have 7th version datasheets - the haemotrope reactor gives an effect to plasma and detriments to using it as cover and a bit on damaging it intentionally; whereas the plasma pipes and regulator can only give negatives for using it as cover.
Needless to say, i'll be treating all plasma pipes and regulators as having the same rules as the haemotrope reactors.

The hope for the future is that FW will use a future book to include all the missing terrain datasheets for such things - in time for the civil war on Mars perhaps? that would be epic!

 Gashrog wrote:
The biggest change I've seen people talking about is that the updated Lord of War section - which presumably trumps the version in the Age of Darkness Army List red book - omits Questoris Knights, meaning you can now only get them as an allied detachment.

Well feth. That kinda puts the kybash on my Loyalist Luna Wolves using a Freeblade :(

LunaWolvesLoyalist wrote:

 Gashrog wrote:
The biggest change I've seen people talking about is that the updated Lord of War section - which presumably trumps the version in the Age of Darkness Army List red book - omits Questoris Knights, meaning you can now only get them as an allied detachment.

Well feth. That kinda puts the kybash on my Loyalist Luna Wolves using a Freeblade :(

As I understand it, Questoris Knights only, not Mechanicum Knights. I may be wrong, but you should still be able to use knights, just not get the Questoris rules.

Sounds fun.

Any LoW changes beyond what's already mentioned with Knights?

 djones520 wrote:

LunaWolvesLoyalist wrote:

 Gashrog wrote:
The biggest change I've seen people talking about is that the updated Lord of War section - which presumably trumps the version in the Age of Darkness Army List red book - omits Questoris Knights, meaning you can now only get them as an allied detachment.

Well feth. That kinda puts the kybash on my Loyalist Luna Wolves using a Freeblade :(

As I understand it, Questoris Knights only, not Mechanicum Knights. I may be wrong, but you should still be able to use knights, just not get the Questoris rules.

The War Machine Squadron entry in the Age of Darkness Army List permits the use of Lords of War from the Primary Detachment's army list, the Questoris List and an accompanying list of Superheavy tanks. The same section of the new rulebook is otherwise the same but removes the mention of Questoris. Neither book permits the use of Mechanicum Knights in a marine detachment - you can use Legio Titanicus Titans because their datasheets state as such, but the Mechanicum Knight datasheets do not.

I thought Questoris Knights has their own troops/elites etc.?

Does this book invalidate the FOC found in the Crusade Imperialis book?

No you just can't cherry pick the knights from Questoris to use as LoW any more. You have to take an ally detachment, which means at least 2 knights.

agurus1 wrote:
No you just can't cherry pick the knights from Questoris to use as LoW any more. You have to take an ally detachment, which means at least 2 knights.

You can still take a single knight

TeAXIIIT13 wrote:

agurus1 wrote:
No you just can't cherry pick the knights from Questoris to use as LoW any more. You have to take an ally detachment, which means at least 2 knights.

You can still take a single knight

No where in that photo does it say you can take a Knight.

TeAXIIIT13 wrote:

agurus1 wrote:
No you just can't cherry pick the knights from Questoris to use as LoW any more. You have to take an ally detachment, which means at least 2 knights.

You can still take a single knight

Yeah sorry man, the Warmachine Squadron rule has changed. Better read that again.

agurus1 wrote:

TeAXIIIT13 wrote:

agurus1 wrote:
No you just can't cherry pick the knights from Questoris to use as LoW any more. You have to take an ally detachment, which means at least 2 knights.

You can still take a single knight

Yeah sorry man, the Warmachine Squadron rule has changed. Better read that again.

He could be thinking of the Engine of Destruction entry and it's reference to taking titans from the Taghmata list, but Knights aren't listed as titans in the Taghmata book.

 Crazyterran wrote:
I thought Questoris Knights has their own troops/elites etc.?

Does this book invalidate the FOC found in the Crusade Imperialis book?

The rule in the Questoris list (Household Rank) that allows you to take Knights as HQ/Troops/Elites etc explicitly states itself that it only applies to Questoris Primary and Allied Detachments, not other types of detachments.

What is included in the "Panoply of war list found opposite"... My book hasn't arrived yet.

sm3g wrote:
What is included in the "Panoply of war list found opposite"... My book hasn't arrived yet.

i shall indulge thee.
baneblade, banehammer, stormlord, shadowsword, stormsword, banesword stormblade shadowhammer banelord whatever...
macharius, CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT CARRIER or any variant thereof
marauder bomber, marauder destroyer, thunderbolt heavy fighter, crusade avenger strike fighter
minotaur

Really looking forward to sticking minotaurs into my Iron Warriors, maybe a Crassus lol

agurus1 wrote:

TeAXIIIT13 wrote:

agurus1 wrote:
No you just can't cherry pick the knights from Questoris to use as LoW any more. You have to take an ally detachment, which means at least 2 knights.

You can still take a single knight

Yeah sorry man, the Warmachine Squadron rule has changed. Better read that again.

Actually the picture was to test you, the rule hasn’t actually changed, you couldn’t take a knight to begin with, which I only found out recently when I reread the rule in my legion book

agurus1 wrote:
Really looking forward to sticking minotaurs into my Iron Warriors, maybe a Crassus lol

The praetor missile launcher is a crassus chassis too..

TeAXIIIT13 wrote:

agurus1 wrote:

TeAXIIIT13 wrote:

agurus1 wrote:
No you just can't cherry pick the knights from Questoris to use as LoW any more. You have to take an ally detachment, which means at least 2 knights.

You can still take a single knight

Yeah sorry man, the Warmachine Squadron rule has changed. Better read that again.

Actually the picture was to test you, the rule hasn’t actually changed, you couldn’t take a knight to begin with, which I only found out recently when I reread the rule in my legion book

Warmachine Detachment Rule from pg 9 of the Legions Astartes Red book, "War Machine Detachment:1-2 Super-heavy vehicles of the same unit type, each with a Hull Points value of 8 or less, and each chosen either from the specific army list for the Primary Detachment, the Questoris Knights army list found in the Crusade Imperialis army list, or the optional Super-heavy list found on page 10. This detachment must be deployed within a 6" coherency if on the table at the start of the game or, if placed in Reserve, will be rolled for as a single unit and must enter the table within 6" of a single eligible location. However, after their deployment, these war engines are considered to be separate units in the game."

Emphasis mine.

Then in the new FW 30k rulebook, pg 130 for Warmachine Squadron, "“1-2 Super-heavy vehicles from the same Army List entry, each with a Hull points value of 8 or lower, and each chosen from the same Army List as that used to form the Primary Detachment or from the Panoply of War list found opposite. These vehicles must be deployed within a 6" coherency if on the table at the start of the game or, if placed in Reserve, will be rolled for as a single unit and must enter the table within 6" of a single eligible location. However, after their deployment, these war engines are considered to be separate units in the game."

Note the absence of Questoris Knights in the new rule. Note that you can take knights in the original War Machine Detachment and not the second. Like I said, better take another look at the rules buddy. Pics included.

agurus1 wrote:

TeAXIIIT13 wrote:

agurus1 wrote:

TeAXIIIT13 wrote:

agurus1 wrote:
No you just can't cherry pick the knights from Questoris to use as LoW any more. You have to take an ally detachment, which means at least 2 knights.

You can still take a single knight

Yeah sorry man, the Warmachine Squadron rule has changed. Better read that again.

Actually the picture was to test you, the rule hasn’t actually changed, you couldn’t take a knight to begin with, which I only found out recently when I reread the rule in my legion book

Warmachine Detachment Rule from pg 9 of the Legions Astartes Red book, "War Machine Detachment:1-2 Super-heavy vehicles of the same unit type, each with a Hull Points value of 8 or less, and each chosen either from the specific army list for the Primary Detachment, the Questoris Knights army list found in the Crusade Imperialis army list, or the optional Super-heavy list found on page 10. This detachment must be deployed within a 6" coherency if on the table at the start of the game or, if placed in Reserve, will be rolled for as a single unit and must enter the table within 6" of a single eligible location. However, after their deployment, these war engines are considered to be separate units in the game."

Emphasis mine.

Then in the new FW 30k rulebook, pg 130 for Warmachine Squadron, "“1-2 Super-heavy vehicles from the same Army List entry, each with a Hull points value of 8 or lower, and each chosen from the same Army List as that used to form the Primary Detachment or from the Panoply of War list found opposite. These vehicles must be deployed within a 6" coherency if on the table at the start of the game or, if placed in Reserve, will be rolled for as a single unit and must enter the table within 6" of a single eligible location. However, after their deployment, these war engines are considered to be separate units in the game."

Note the absence of Questoris Knights in the new rule. Note that you can take knights in the original War Machine Detachment and not the second. Like I said, better take another look at the rules buddy. Pics included.

Fair enough if your copy says that but my red book does not include the line about knights

TeAXIIIT13 wrote:

Fair enough if your copy says that but my red book does not include the line about knights

Is your book by any chance the outdated Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List rather than the current Age of Darkness Army List?