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So is this some sort of Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey stuff because we know Daemons existed pre-aeldari fall, and we know Daemon Princes certainly existed (Doombreed for example), but Slaanesh certainly wasn't concious back then. It even says Be’lakor was doing his thing during the Age of Strife, long before Slaanesh was awakened.

Is this GW just forgetting Slaanesh didn't always exist or maybe it's Malal?

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If you read any lore about the Big Four they make clear how time doesn't exist in the warp, and Slaanesh has always existed and at the same time has never been awakened.

They don't follow any kind of logic. One can say that thats bad writting, and in some parts thats true.

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You said it in the OP. It's Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey stuff.

Slaanesh has always existed, yet didn't exist until the Eldar Fall.

   
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I like to think that Slaanesh couldn't affect real space until it's birth, but its always been an aspect of chaos.

   
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Given how the gods have been shown to work, I dont think that they are 40k entities at all, but parts of the larger "Khorne" extra dimensional being, the gods can access any dimension the warp touches, the warp touches every dimension, so the gods are infinate, so they cannot be singular beings as we understand it.

This leads me to believe that Slaanesh just entered our part of the warp, broke through so to speak, and once it had, it had always been here, possibly leading to its own birth, crazy right!

As for Belakor, his fluff is tenuous at best, there are other Undivided DP kicking around, he isnt the only one.
   
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Well, in reality it is because Be'lakor originally was a Fantasy character, and in Fantasy, Slaanesh has always been there along with the other 3.
They have never really offered an explanation for why he has the power of all 4 gods in 40k (besides, I also thought Doombreed was the first daemon prince in 40k lore, not Be'lakor).
Also, while it is true that Slaanesh has always existed in the Warp, Slaanesh did not exist in any way in the material universe before it was formed. The material universe does follow normal time laws and therefore Slaanesh could not possibly have affected the material universe before being born, as that would break the laws of the material universe.

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 Iron_Captain wrote:

Also, while it is true that Slaanesh has always existed in the Warp, Slaanesh did not exist in any way in the material universe before it was formed. The material universe does follow normal time laws and therefore Slaanesh could not possibly have affected the material universe before being born, as that would break the laws of the material universe.

The Warp has allowed time travel before (albeit seldom in a controlled manner).
   
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SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:
 Iron_Captain wrote:

Also, while it is true that Slaanesh has always existed in the Warp, Slaanesh did not exist in any way in the material universe before it was formed. The material universe does follow normal time laws and therefore Slaanesh could not possibly have affected the material universe before being born, as that would break the laws of the material universe.

The Warp has allowed time travel before (albeit seldom in a controlled manner).


plus the laws of the material universe literally mean nothing to the chaos gods.
   
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SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:
 Iron_Captain wrote:

Also, while it is true that Slaanesh has always existed in the Warp, Slaanesh did not exist in any way in the material universe before it was formed. The material universe does follow normal time laws and therefore Slaanesh could not possibly have affected the material universe before being born, as that would break the laws of the material universe.

The Warp has allowed time travel before (albeit seldom in a controlled manner).


Think of that like diving in one end of the pool and coming out the other.
You're not traveling through the material space to time travel, and they remain two distinct locations.

plus the laws of the material universe literally mean nothing to the chaos gods.


And yet hacking off a demons arm still means he's armless.
When the veil between the two is thin or erased, the warp can have an effect, but otherwise they're still like oil and water.
   
 
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