Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Imagine the following situation:

A squad of devastators are deployed on the second floor, so thats about 6 inches above ground, what is the correct way to deepstrike a squad of say terminators near such a unit?

Would be 3 inches from the wall, or should i measure diagonal distance 9' inches away from the nearest models base?

And does the rules allow to deep-strike onto walls, floors? or only to the ground?

If i use reivers then does my charge distance become reduced due to the grapnels that allow ignoring vertical distances?

Thanks

From the "stepping intoa new edition" commentary, vertical distances matter and measurement should include diagonal distance.

So diagonal distance, and if your opponent is 10" up you can deepstrike reivers then make a 0" charge.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/748660.page

 WindstormSCR wrote:
From the "stepping intoa new edition" commentary, vertical distances matter and measurement should include diagonal distance.

So diagonal distance, and if your opponent is 10" up you can deepstrike reivers then make a 0" charge.

wrong, they need to make a 10" charge, because they need to move verticaly

terry wrote:

 WindstormSCR wrote:
From the "stepping intoa new edition" commentary, vertical distances matter and measurement should include diagonal distance.

So diagonal distance, and if your opponent is 10" up you can deepstrike reivers then make a 0" charge.

wrong, they need to make a 10" charge, because they need to move verticaly

But what about the grapnels that ignore vertical distance?

terry wrote:

wrong, they need to make a 10" charge, because they need to move verticaly

Reivers with grapnels ignore vertical distance, its free movement. A 10" vertical charge would be 0".

A: All distances are measured in three dimensions, so if
a unit moves over a hill or scales a wall, the horizontal
distance and vertical distance combined cannot exceed
its Movement characteristic. This means that in order
to traverse across an obstacle, you must move up to the
top of that obstacle, move across the top of it, then move
down it.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Thanks for pointing me to the FAQ, that answers my question

The core rules tell us : "Distances in Warhammer 40,000 are measured in inches (") between the closest points of the bases of the models you’re measuring to and from."

If an enemy unit is on the first floor 3" vertical distance and 4" horizontal distance, the shortest distance (diagonal) is 5" for shooting, but the charge distance would be 7". Because infantry would have to move horizontal and vertical. Reivers with grapnel launchers would only have to charge 4", vertical movement is free for them.

A unit which can fly would have a charge distance of 5", because it ignores terrain. Thats HIWPI, because the rules for units which can fly, and how they interact with terrain, are unclear. The rules say that they can move across terrain as if they were no there. That doesnt say anything about what happens when they fly onto terrain, ruins, etc.

 p5freak wrote:
The core rules tell us : "Distances in Warhammer 40,000 are measured in inches (") between the closest points of the bases of the models you’re measuring to and from."

If an enemy unit is on the first floor 3" vertical distance and 4" horizontal distance, the shortest distance (diagonal) is 5" for shooting, but the charge distance would be 7". Because infantry would have to move horizontal and vertical. Reivers with grapnel launchers would only have to charge 4", vertical movement is free for them.

A unit which can fly would have a charge distance of 5", because it ignores terrain. Thats HIWPI, because the rules for units which can fly, and how they interact with terrain, are unclear. The rules say that they can move across terrain as if they were no there. That doesnt say anything about what happens when they fly onto terrain, ruins, etc.

I think the correct way of interpreting fly keyword in terms of terrain is that such units ignore any terrain between their starting and destination point.
So if there was anything between the mentioned first floor like another building or something they would only need to move the diagonal distance

Timur wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
The core rules tell us : "Distances in Warhammer 40,000 are measured in inches (") between the closest points of the bases of the models you’re measuring to and from."

If an enemy unit is on the first floor 3" vertical distance and 4" horizontal distance, the shortest distance (diagonal) is 5" for shooting, but the charge distance would be 7". Because infantry would have to move horizontal and vertical. Reivers with grapnel launchers would only have to charge 4", vertical movement is free for them.

A unit which can fly would have a charge distance of 5", because it ignores terrain. Thats HIWPI, because the rules for units which can fly, and how they interact with terrain, are unclear. The rules say that they can move across terrain as if they were no there. That doesnt say anything about what happens when they fly onto terrain, ruins, etc.

I think the correct way of interpreting fly keyword in terms of terrain is that such units ignore any terrain between their starting and destination point.
So if there was anything between the mentioned first floor like another building or something they would only need to move the diagonal distance

Correct.

Since ITC is pretty omnipresent these days, thought I'd post this here...official ITC stance backed by Reece.

Wonder if commentators got confused. Was Reece answering for flying unit doing charge or the enemy doing the charge? If flying unit then that's one thing and makes sense it's blue but reverse would it be green again? Which wouldn't conflict with Reece's blue line since it would be logical for flying unit.

The pic is hard to read but I believe Reece says that it's the blue line for all models. And that's how they play it. That's not RAW for basic infantry. They have to move horizontal and vertical, which is the green line. If they ruled it differently it's their call.

Yeah another vote for the blue line for flyers and the green line for infantry. I have no idea what that guy is on about but it seems pretty clear for foot-slogging infantry.

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
Since ITC is pretty omnipresent these days, thought I'd post this here...official ITC stance backed by Reece.

What? That is obviously blatantly wrong. It's green for foot sloggers, blue for flyers and red for Reivers.

That ITC stance be cray.