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I want to build some mixed list of Daemon/DG

Im back to 40k after almost 20 years (no kidding), the rules with the factions are somewhat confusing (two type of keywords for example), especially Death Guard, CSM and Daemons...I only played 5-6 games. Learning what is good and what is not so good, but Im still wondering if my lists are legal. I'm using battlescribe cause its quicker to do the lists, but some said there is errors, and stuff. I know now I cant put nurglings in a DG detachment, i need to do a ritual....somewhat annoying since DG characters are so slow and need to move with my army. I love to put 5 to 9 nurglings in front of my ennemy at 9 inches.

I have few questions:

1- Can I put a foetid Bloat-Drone, plagueburst crawler or Myph. blight-hauler in a Daemon detachment: they got the Daemon keyword, but on the second list of keywords. Battlescribe cant let me do it..but they didnt update their program.

2- I dont really want to do It, but can I put a Death Guard Daemon Prince of Nurgle as an HQ in a Daemon detachment and use the contagion discipline? Or do you absolutely need a Daemon prince of Nurgle (without the death guard keyword)? Technically a DG Daemon Prnce is also a Dameon of Nurgle...

3- Do you know when battlescribe will update their program with the new Daemon Codex? usually taking days, weeks or months?

4- If I create a Daemon outrider detachment with a Daemon prince of Nurgle, bloat-drone, plague drones, myphitic blight-hauler, do my engines will benefit fror having a death gaurd kywords (for example when a stratagem say: death guard, DG unit or DG model)? I understand they will not get the bonus of DG army, but they dont anyway (rapid fire at 18, Heavy/assault without penalty)...but I guess they get the Daemon bonuses of 6+= add. wounds. Very powerful for my daemon engines. (For example, I can let Epidemius near my Plagueburst crawler)

4.5 -In the same way, If I let my daemon vehicle in the death guard detachment, do they benefit the stratagem for Daemon?

5- If I Use Epidemius, do daemon in a DG detachment (engines, Prince) count for Epidemius Tally of pestilence? I guess yes?

Mostly answered in your army list post .

4.5 Stratagems work as they are written once they ar unlocked by a facrion detachment. A lot of non codex daemon units benefit.

5. Yes

1. No. They have to have the same Faction keywords. Death guard only have daemon Keyword. Not Faction Keywords. Chaos daemons have to have both the CHAOS and DAEMON Faction Keyword to go into a daemons detachment

2. No. You cant because of the first reason, not the same Faction Keywords

3. Don't know. Battlescribe has updated whenever they get around to it

4.No. this wont work because the death guard units do not have the Daemon Faction Keyword so they cannot be taken in a daemons detachment. They still however can still benefit from the locus if other daemon characters have it, because you do have the DAEMON keyword

4.5. Yes. this still works as the stratagems effect Daemons, since you have the Daemons in either keywords then you can use the stratagem.

5. Yes, they have the daemon and Nurgle keyword in either keyword slot. so benefit from epidermus

Detachments are very specific in what counts as them, just remember that the Faction Keywords determine the detachment. Keywords have no effect on this

The Daemons Codex release for Battlescribe came out on Sunday 14th. I know because I wrote it.

You need to have your data updated to v1.1.2 of the 8th edition files and v25 of the Daemons file itself.

MadSpy wrote:
The Daemons Codex release for Battlescribe came out on Sunday 14th. I know because I wrote it.

You need to have your data updated to v1.1.2 of the 8th edition files and v25 of the Daemons file itself.

Thanks to all of you guys for your hard work to make our gaming lives easier!

MadSpy wrote:
The Daemons Codex release for Battlescribe came out on Sunday 14th. I know because I wrote it.

You need to have your data updated to v1.1.2 of the 8th edition files and v25 of the Daemons file itself.

Not all heroes wear capes.

Thanks a lot guys.

So: A Foetid Bloat -drone cant be in a (pure) Daemon detachment, cause it doesnt get a Daemon FACTION keyword; BUT it will benefit for all stuff affecting Daemon of Nurgle, cause he got nurgle and Daemon keywords. So he can help epidemius and benefit from epidemius buff...lets say its very good, cause a foetid bloat-drone with plaguespitters will benefit a lot from a S+1!!!

I have a last question:

Usually I summon daemon units that I put in a ''unboud detachment'' (using battlescribe) with a ritual. But with the daemon codex, I dont want to do it this way, I need a daemon detachment to get the bonuses.

So, my QUESTION:
Can a death guard character summon a Daemon unit from a Daemon detachment I put in deep strike? Meaning Typhus (nurgle guy) can summon a plague drones unit from a outrider deamon detachment? I read the rules again, it seems I can do it. But want to be sure.
Subquestion: can a character summon daemons with a ritual if he is in close combat? I guess yes?

This version of 40k is weirdly built, there is so many important rules disseminated there and there, its a bit confusing. And some rules are so weird: I learn today that if there is a unit in close combat near me or not visible, I can't shoot a character EVEN IF ITS THE ONLY UNIT I CAN SHOOT AT!!! Very frustrating when the characters are so powerful (it was a blood angel captain with 3+ invul. save and 6 wounds and etc...).


Special Thanks to madspy for the work, without battlescribe it will be such a pain to build army list! Ill update my battlescribe now!

A summoned unit cannot be in a detachment. The unit doesn't exist until you choose what you are summoning after rolling power level. Up until then it's just spare points.

Yes you can summon In combat if you don't move.

There is a stratagem for daemons which allows you to deep strike much more reliably than through summoning

So if I'm following what's being said here Magnus the Red can't be in a Battle-forged Chaos Detachment because he has the CHAOS Faction Keyword and a DAEMON Keyword (not the DAEMON Faction Keyword)?

Thus, he cannot benefit from the Daemonic Loci (Locus of Trickery) special rule?

However if he's in a Detachment of his own (Super Heavy Aux Detachment) and other Detachments in the Battle-forged army are made up of Tzeentch Daemons exclusively, Denizens of the Warp (Chaos Daemons Stategem) can be used to Deep Strike Magnus at the end of Movement?

In the scenario described above (Magnus in SHAD and the rest Tzeentch Daemons), is there anything preventing Magnus from being the Warlord?

Cheers,

Thoth

There are no restrictions on who can be warlord. The choice of warlord affects your free relic and what tactical objectives you get.

Magnus cannot be in a 'chaos daemons' detachment. But can benefit from the locus from one .

Denizens works on Magnus as it stands yes.

Battleforged only requires organisation into detachments with one common keyword across the army, in this case CHAOS is fine. Don't confuse battleforged as the requirement for Legion specific faction bonuses, different things.

That's what I thought, just wanted someone to confirm it.

Much appreciated.

Cheers,

Thoth