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Here's the link.
https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2018/01/19/10-reasons-why-gretchin-are-the-best-ork-unit-in-8th-edition/#comment-561610

I'd just like to point out that a grot is only 33% more durable than an ork vs bolter fire and is ~900% worse at actually killing anything himself. The secondary advantages like a larger footprint are pretty irrelevant in real games because 6 ppm boyz have a decent enough footprint allready. The only thing that grots can do - what boyz can't - is filling a troop slot when you...for some reason need a troop slot and don't have 30 pts to spare.

He also said Wyches are the most improve unit in 40k... well you dont know how math worjs and you times 100 by 0 and think you did better than 1 times 0, i guess they are better.

I mean They are not bad compare to an Ork, you get 2 per 1 Ork, thats something and Hordes are good. Its just they wont do no where near as much as Orks will needing 6's to wound is bad. Theyc ost 1/2 but do 1/2 the work.

*This blog post is immediately followed by ITC rules nerfing the Gretchin for being too OP*

Not that FLG have no idea what is UP/OP in 40k or what armies are competitive, they're completely qualified to make a blanket tournament rule pack that buffs/nerfs any units they like.

 Amishprn86 wrote:
Theyc ost 1/2 but do 1/2 the work.

They cost 1/2 but do 1/9 the work actually.

What he said though is true, after the nerf of brimstones they are the better screens in the game.

Sure T2, but morale immune, 6+/6+++ and an optional 5++ against ranged attacks.

It's just that orks don't really need screens.

Orks don't have anything worth screening...

I think i agree with one of the commenters of that blog post.
If one of the GW playtest consultants thinks that Gretchin of all units are the best thing we have in the Ork Index then that just means that he indirectly agrees that everything else in the Index is utterly horrible xD

This was the dude who proclaimed that stompas would be phenomenally strong in 8th edition.

That being said, Gretchin actually suck less than people think. Slightly less.

Gretchings aren't actually that bad of a unit. For a 3ppm unit I see them pretty balanced with Brimstones pots Brimstones nerfs.

As others have said, they don't see play because Orks don't have anything worth screening. Wait for his codex, if they make Gretching Artillery, etc... worth it, then you'll see how usefull Gretchings are.

Gretchin are fun: That’s really the best part about Gretchin. They are hilarious models. They have a ton of character, and since no one expects anything from them, any time they perform well it makes it that much sweeter.

With this I totally agree. Theres nothing more fun that having your Chaos Cultists or Scout doing a heroic feat.

 Galas wrote:

Gretchin are fun: That’s really the best part about Gretchin. They are hilarious models. They have a ton of character, and since no one expects anything from them, any time they perform well it makes it that much sweeter.

With this I totally agree. Theres nothing more fun that having your Chaos Cultists or Scout doing a heroic feat.

Yeah but that's like saying skyrays are amazing because noone expects anything from them, any time they perform well it makes it that much sweeter.

 koooaei wrote:

 Galas wrote:

Gretchin are fun: That’s really the best part about Gretchin. They are hilarious models. They have a ton of character, and since no one expects anything from them, any time they perform well it makes it that much sweeter.

With this I totally agree. Theres nothing more fun that having your Chaos Cultists or Scout doing a heroic feat.

Yeah but that's like saying skyrays are amazing because noone expects anything from them, any time they perform well it makes it that much sweeter.

Is very different. Skyrais are expensive tanks, and they should do things. Gretchings are literally the cheapest unit in the game alongside Brimstones. They are like Fantasy Zombies, they are there to die. Everything else they accomplish is just a bonus.

 Galas wrote:
Gretchings aren't actually that bad of a unit. For a 3ppm unit I see them pretty balanced with Brimstones pots Brimstones nerfs.

As others have said, they don't see play because Orks don't have anything worth screening. Wait for his codex, if they make Gretching Artillery, etc... worth it, then you'll see how usefull Gretchings are.

One of the best units we have is the KMK though. If it got any better, it would probably break the game. The thing is a KMK (including five gretchin) costs 42 points - instead of putting 90 points of gretchin around it to screen it, you could just field two more, have one crew operate all three guns and have the other two crew act as screen against charges and/or deep strikes.

There have been some instances where maximum gretchin lists have done well in tournaments because their opponents simply couldn't remove 300+ models before time was up. This doesn't make them good though. Not everything that looks like a conscript is one.

Currently I see little reason field gretchin at all, everything they can do is done better by either boyz or grot artillery.


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 Galas wrote:
Is very different. Skyrais are expensive tanks, and they should do things. Gretchings are literally the cheapest unit in the game alongside Brimstones. They are like Fantasy Zombies, they are there to die. Everything else they accomplish is just a bonus.

Except orks have no use for such a unit. Brimstones, (pre-nerf)Conscripts and Cultists are all fielded as part of armies that have expensive backfield units, no other cheap or good troop choices.

Our other troop choice is ork boyz. The one troop choice in the game that people gun down first because they are terrified by the thought of having a whole unit of them attack their valuable units. We can even use them as screen against deep striking because we can just redepoy them into the enemies face any time we need it. Any they are still cheaper than most other troop choices out there.

So why would I use a unit that does nothing, when I could field a unit that is deadly in combat and more than twice as hard to kill instead?

I have 50 grots.
Love them - models are way cool.

Of course gretchins are one of the best things in the ork army! Because mostly everything in the ork army sucks!

Tbh though, if younwere rich enough and bout like 1.5k points worth of gretchin you would be unbeatable! Same for when people had the 3pt conscripts before they went up.

 Jidmah wrote:
Orks don't have anything worth screening...

This. Also, if you DO want to screen something, you use a big squad of Boyz. They'll not only screen, but also do damage as they screen.

I don't care what you all think, I'm taking a brigade of gretchin and a Stompa!

Prepare to win, losers!

Reece also gave a giant "feth you" to Grey Knights players. Are you shocked about anything he says at this point?

Maybe Reece just plays on a different level than all of the Ork/GK players. After all he's won major events with these armies...Oh wait.

If that is the measure of qualification, then how many tournament winners are in this thread currently?

That's not the point. If he wants to make those claims then he should be able to back them up with solid proof/credentials. It's even more important in this instance since he has the ear of GW and can exert influence that most of us can't even aspire to.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
That's not the point. If he wants to make those claims then he should be able to back them up with solid proof/credentials. It's even more important in this instance since he has the ear of GW and can exert influence that most of us can't even aspire to.

Thats an argumentum ad verecundiam. Don't commit logical fallacies please. What someone said should be measured by the strenght of the reasoning behind that affirmation, not by who said it.

 Galas wrote:

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
That's not the point. If he wants to make those claims then he should be able to back them up with solid proof/credentials. It's even more important in this instance since he has the ear of GW and can exert influence that most of us can't even aspire to.

Thats an argumentum ad verecundiam. Don't commit logical fallacies please. What someone said should be measured by the strenght of the reasoning behind that affirmation, not by who said it.

That might be true if there was reasoning attached to the claim.

Reece has presented 10 reasons why he believe Gretchings are the best ork unit. They are nearly all easely defeated by basic math and logic. I wasn't defending the affirmation that Reece has said. I just disagreed with the idea that one need to have "credentials" to even give his opinion in the matter.

But that's the case for everyone for any argument. The basis of one's opinion only carry as much weight as one's credentials. If a person makes a claim then he had better have either proof or a darn good background in the area opined. If AJ Foyt were to say that car X was faster than car Y I'd be inclined to believe him until he was proven wrong just based on who he is and what he's done.
For Reece to make claims like Gobbos are the best Ork unit or people aren't playing GK correctly he has to either have credentials or proof. As far as I can tell he has neither and therefore is opinion is no weightier than any one else's. The problem is his opinion is given greater weight due to his position rather than his accomplishments.

On his fifth point: how do you block fall back moves with da jump when da jump makes you deploy outside of 9". Could be me, but I think he thinks you can just plop em down wherever you want.

I also like him advocating simultaneously buffing grots with:
-Ghazkull
-2 runtherds
-Waaagh banner nob
-Weirdboy
-Did I miss any?

It's like with Eldar Storm Guardians. You can slap a load of buffs on them and make them sort of ok melee troops, or you can instead give a worthwhile unit fewer buffs and get a far better result.

Really, stuff like this is why I don't normally visit their site.

Ghaz, 2 herders, a banner a weirdboy and lets say 90 grots is MASSIVE investment and not that great. Don't get me wrong, it would be hilarious to have Grots hitting on 3s in CC with +2 attacks each but whats the point?

shortymcnostrill wrote:
On his fifth point: how do you block fall back moves with da jump when da jump makes you deploy outside of 9". Could be me, but I think he thinks you can just plop em down wherever you want.

I also like him advocating simultaneously buffing grots with:
-Ghazkull
-2 runtherds
-Waaagh banner nob
-Weirdboy
-Did I miss any?

It's like with Eldar Storm Guardians. You can slap a load of buffs on them and make them sort of ok melee troops, or you can instead give a worthwhile unit fewer buffs and get a far better result.

Really, stuff like this is why I don't normally visit their site.

A kff mek and a painboy also. So, around 530 pts to buff 120 pts of grots so that they can essentially become cultists in performance.

 Crimson Devil wrote:
If that is the measure of qualification, then how many tournament winners are in this thread currently?

At the very least he should have any games at all in major tournaments to prove his thesis. What he did is pretty much equivalent to me going into the GK tactical thread and telling them how awesome GK Terminator spam is because smiting terminators with awesome weapons will totally ruin guardsmen in combat.

Maybe there's new Gretchin models coming out with the Ork codex and this article is just trying to help GW shift their older models that they have in stock?

It's a shame really because he missed the primary reason to buy a box of Grots - to make them in to pseudo ammo runts!

Runts have diferent models. Now you could remodel grots to become grot gunners in one go.