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If I take a detachment like:
Patrol detachment of Ultramarines and bring a squad of GK Paladins in the same detachment.
Do the Ultramarines still have their chapter tactics, relics and stratagems and what about the GK?
Does this differ between codex's like Eldar & Dark Eldar in the same example?

Thanks!

For 1. No, by taking GK paladins you invalidate the traits/Stratagems received by anyone in that detachment (GK and the ultramarines). And unless your warlord is an Ultramarine you don't receive any relics either (Relics rely on your warlord, his faction is what relics you choose from)
2. No. All examples follow this patttern, you only get the traits for a detachment if said detachment is purely that faction only. (Eldar craftworld with same craftworld, GK with GK, ultramarines with ultramarines)

Any unit that is not part of that faction in the detachment immediately invalidates any traits you would get in said detachment, Relics are reliant on your warlord and what faction he/she is part of. Stratagems only apply if you take a detachment of that faction and ONLY that faction. mixing units from different factions doen't unlock any stratagems at all

Any unit that is not part of that faction in the detachment immediately invalidates any traits you would get in said detachment

But they both have the Faction: Imperium?

Thanks !

For "chapter tactics" you need a pure codex faction detachment. The free relic is based on which faction is the warlord, and can be in any detachment.
Stratagems are unlocked by pure faction detachments but can be used by any.


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The chapter tactics rules will tell you thier requirements. None are IMPERIUM

Edited my original post. Morale of the story is, go for plain vanilla factions in this edition, else you will not get anything

Just remember, it only applies to detachments. So a GK detachment with an Ultramarine detachment is totally fine, and you unlock both their traits and stratagems.

Relic still only applies to warlord

So all the "faction" keywords have to match to be pure as you put it. Any by matching 100% you unlock the chapter tactics or army specialized rules. Ok, got it.

The whole point of this started with... how do i fit assassins or astra telepathic's in my space marines army.

Thank you everyone.

Chuck em into a detachment of their own and your set to go.

Hell, since you can take from any faction in the IMPERIUM you can make the HQ anyone, do note they wont get their trait but meh

CaptainJimJam wrote:
So all the "faction" keywords have to match to be pure as you put it. Any by matching 100% you unlock the chapter tactics or army specialized rules. Ok, got it.

The whole point of this started with... how do i fit assassins or astra telepathic's in my space marines army.

Thank you everyone.

You should think of it as giving your detachment a keyword.

Patrol Detachment Ultramarines.

That detachment needs to have all ultramarines and as such gains the UM chapter tactics and stratagems.

You COULD have a Patrol Detachment Imperium with all the mixed units. But that just lets you take all the units with Imperium keyword. There are no tactics/stratagems associated with Imperium.

To add assassins or knights or whatever you need an Imperium detachment. Probably a Auxiliary if it's only one model.

To add non-Ultramarines to an Ultramarine army and keep Chapter Tactics, you need to take an additional IMPERIUM detachment. Either take a Patrol and pay the HQ+Troop tax with a cheap IG, or take the Auxiliary Support and lose 1 CP.

For Assassins and Astra Tele, you're actually better off with a Vanguard. 1HQ and 3 Elites, so 1 Psyker and 3 Assassins, and you get a +1CP bonus!