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Here's a question about a situation I had yesterday:

while my unit is in melee, can it charge another unit out of it?

Pretty straight forward, my guys were beating on a tank when an enemy psyker gets to around 6" from the fight.

If I could declare a charge on the psyker, I could easily stay in melee with the tank, and make a two-person conga line to reach and attack the psyker. The question is whether that is possible according to RAW.

Thoughts ( and page sources, please ) ?

You cant, rules say that a unit cannot charge if its within 1" of a enemy. Its in the first part about the charge phase rules.

You can't, see above.

I believe you can consolidate towards the psyker, even when fighting the tank. The psyker must be closer to one of your models than the tank.

6. Consolidate

You may move each model in the unit up to 3" – this
move can be in any direction so long as the model ends
the move closer to the nearest enemy model.

 p5freak wrote:
I believe you can consolidate towards the psyker, even when fighting the tank. The psyker must be closer to one of your models than the tank.

6. Consolidate

You may move each model in the unit up to 3" – this
move can be in any direction so long as the model ends
the move closer to the nearest enemy model.

Of course. But that wasn't the question, and wouldn't enable the unit to engage the Psyker 6" away.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

Of course. But that wasn't the question, and wouldn't enable the unit to engage the Psyker 6" away.

True, but its a way to get closer to him, while fighting the tank. Next turn you can shoot him with pistols, pile in, and attack him in CC.

So it would be a better idea to actually leave some models in the second row and further from the original target, just in such a case.

Especially with those Allarus

Thanks again!

 p5freak wrote:
I believe you can consolidate towards the psyker, even when fighting the tank. The psyker must be closer to one of your models than the tank.

6. Consolidate

You may move each model in the unit up to 3" – this
move can be in any direction so long as the model ends
the move closer to the nearest enemy model.

Nearest enemy model = tank.
I would say, no.

 jeff white wrote:

Nearest enemy model = tank.
I would say, no.

Really ? What if the psyker is 6" from one model and the tank is 20" from that model ? Is the tank the closest model ? You do know that an ork unit can be 30 models ?

 p5freak wrote:

 jeff white wrote:

Nearest enemy model = tank.
I would say, no.

Really ? What if the psyker is 6" from one model and the tank is 20" from that model ? Is the tank the closest model ? You do know that an ork unit can be 30 models ?

Well, it's measured and decided on a model by model basis. So yes, you could engage a unit that's 6 '' away, but you wouldn't be able to hit it (under normal circumstances), and you can only do it if at least one model is closer to that unit than to any other unit, AND you need to keep unit coherency for both 3 inch moves.

Actually the psyker doesn't have to be the closest model.

The pile in and consolidation moves simply state that you must end the move closer to the nearest enemy model. So if I'm 0.99" from the tank, I can move 3" towards the psyker in the pile in as long as I end just a hair less than 0.99" from the tank, and I can do that again in the consolidate after fighting. It really just depends on where the psyker is in relation to the tank.

If your unit is between the tank and the psyker you could only pull it off if one of your figures was closer to the psyker than the tank (as moving towards the psyker would be moving away from the tank), and you'd have to have enough that fit that bill to keep coherency. But if the psyker is more like along the side of the tank, or on the other side of the tank you can crawl along the sides of the tank to get to him.

One other consideration: if you start the fight phase base to base with the tank (or in the tank's case base to hull) then you are stuck as you can't end up any closer to the closest unit.

Fall back from the tank and circle the psyker? Wait till your next turn to kill him unless he heroic interventions or another unit puts you in combat, allowing you to pile in.