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So simple, I don’t know why this should even have to be stated:

Primaris marines (including Hellblasters, Intercessors and Rievers) may take the following additional Dedicated Transports:

- Razorback (5 model capacity)
- Rhino (10 model capacity)
- Land Raider, All variants (10 model capacity)
- Drop Pod (10 model capacity)
- Land Speeder Storm (Rievers only, 5 models)
- Storm Raven (10 models, + 1 Dreadnought)

Primaris Aggressors may take the following additional Dedicated Transports:

- Land Raider, All variants (5 model capacity)

A Primaris Redemtor Dreadnought may take the following additional Dedicated Transports:

- Land Raider, all variants (1 model)
- Drop Pod (1 model)
- Storm Raven (1 model + 10 Primaris Marine models)

In addition, the Primaris Repulsor Tank can be taken by Space Marines (Tactical, Veteran, Sternguard, Vanguard, Devastator, Scouts), with a capacity of 10 models.

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Repulsor Tank Modification:

- Reduced capacity (5 models) - ??? Points reduction
- No transport capacity - ??? Points reduction

You lost me at dreadnought in a land raider.

Also why are these guys that are as big as terminators 1 to 1 in a normal space marine vehicle.

make them take up 2 slots to bad about the razorback but we dont need to perpetuate more that.

 Desubot wrote:
You lost me at dreadnought in a land raider.

Also why are these guys that are as big as terminators 1 to 1 in a normal space marine vehicle.

make them take up 2 slots to bad about the razorback but we dont need to perpetuate more that.

I only have one primaris model (it came with the hobby magazine), and they don't strike me as being much bigger than normal marines - certainly not Terminator size.

I could certainly see a normal dreadnought coming out the assault ramp of a land raider (maybe stooping to do so). A primaris dreadnought maybe, unfolding from a squatting position from inside (think of how the Alien from the Alien movie stands up from a squatting position).

As cool as that would be, i dont think so.

i mean i know these are not actually true scale or anything but it would be pretty wonky.

if anything to get a dread to fit in a landraider they would have to dismantle them

and a redemptor is at least 20% bigger then the old washing machine.

Dreadnoughts actually require their own special drop pods too. the normal pods are too small for a normal dread.

the rain bird it should be fine as they are harnessed to the back.

also primarus next to a grey knight terminator.

A redemptior dreadnought should fit in nothing short of of one the gunships, or heavy gun ships, super heavy transports.

There too damn big to ever fit in a land raider!

Yeah - I wouldn't have an issue with Primaris going in Marine transports, but not on a 1-1 basis. Each Primaris should count as 2 normal marines - this leaves Razorbacks out of the running as transports (but let's face it, they're taken as gun platforms already), and puts Land Raiders, Rhinos and Drop Pods on the map.

The Repulsor could be allowed to have a 20 man transport for normal guys.

Yeah have Mark x armor count as 2 models and Gravis count as 3 models.

Both seem fair.

The redemptior should be limited to current dreadnought transports though.

Given that Primaris take up two slots in a Thunderhawk at present I'd suggest leaving them as taking up two slots in preexisting transports.

Well, I guess I can agree Primaris should take up 2 slots instead of 1 in a “regular” transport (though I remember the days when you could fit 10 marines in the original model of the rhino, which was pretty dinky). I’d still think Razorbacks could hold abbreviated primaris squads - maybe 2-3 Rievers?

Wasn’t there a model for a Dreadnought drop pod? I can’t seem to find it anymore, and always assumed it was just a regular, gutted droppod with the harnesses removed to fit a dreadnought. If Dreadnought pods aren’t a thing anymore, perhaps give them a single-use jump pack or grav-chute option? (Hmmm... assault dreadnought w/ jump pack - would that be scary at all?)

Are there any vehicles or transports that I missed mention that old marines and primaris should be able to swap between?

 Stormonu wrote:
Well, I guess I can agree Primaris should take up 2 slots instead of 1 in a “regular” transport (though I remember the days when you could fit 10 marines in the original model of the rhino, which was pretty dinky). I’d still think Razorbacks could hold abbreviated primaris squads - maybe 2-3 Rievers?

Wasn’t there a model for a Dreadnought drop pod? I can’t seem to find it anymore, and always assumed it was just a regular, gutted droppod with the harnesses removed to fit a dreadnought. If Dreadnought pods aren’t a thing anymore, perhaps give them a single-use jump pack or grav-chute option? (Hmmm... assault dreadnought w/ jump pack - would that be scary at all?)

Are there any vehicles or transports that I missed mention that old marines and primaris should be able to swap between?

Oh goodness no the dreadpod was massive. with only 3 doors. it could actually fit a dread inside it. they no longer sell it but it has rules and it could come back from FW. they may just be re doing the mold.

No on the grav chutes. honestly now. whats the purpose of positioning and movement if everything and their dogs could just deep strike. its already bad enough with some factions.

that and still no on the razorback. we shouldnt perpetuate them as they are already good enough to be taken en mass.

Isn't the Razorback modeled after the M113A1 ACAV / AFIV (and the predator the M113A1 FSV)? If it is, as best I've been able to determine, that vehicle can hold 7 modern troops.

Fluffwise, why shouldn't the Razorback carry troops, Primaris or regular? If GW's botched the point cost, that's something they need to tweak.

 Stormonu wrote:
Isn't the Razorback modeled after the M113A1 ACAV / AFIV (and the predator the M113A1 FSV)? If it is, as best I've been able to determine, that vehicle can hold 7 modern troops.

Fluffwise, why shouldn't the Razorback carry troops, Primaris or regular? If GW's botched the point cost, that's something they need to tweak.

You really really really shouldnt try and bring real world logic into it.

and a razorback can carry troops it already does. being able to chuck a edit: half unit of primarus would just be giving it more bonuses it does not need as it is solid enough to spam.

sure you could adjust points and increase the carry capacity but at that point you may as well adjust the entire book. and lets not. that rabbit hole is full of salty cheese every time.

 Stormonu wrote:
Isn't the Razorback modeled after the M113A1 ACAV / AFIV (and the predator the M113A1 FSV)? If it is, as best I've been able to determine, that vehicle can hold 7 modern troops.

Fluffwise, why shouldn't the Razorback carry troops, Primaris or regular? If GW's botched the point cost, that's something they need to tweak.

Fluffwise, the razorback gives up some of its transport capacity to carry the main gun - probably for storing ammo or something along those lines. The real reason it carries less guys is so that people have a reason to field rhinos.

Primaris marines take 2 spots because, as desubot's pic shows, they are easily the size of a terminator - slightly less broad but at least a head taller.