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Regular Dakkanaut




Piedmont N.C. of the usa

So i am formulating how to make my army use stratgems and wonder how stacking different stragems work. Specifically using forwarned on a fire prism then using linked fire on that fire prism that was forwarned.

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as long as they are not the exact same stratagem, multiple stratagems stack with each other.

so if you had one stratagem that allows +1 to wound and another one that gives a +1 to wound aswell, they will stack if their completely different stratagems (Different name, different targets, ect.)

In this scenario however, linked fire specifies more than one fire prism shooting at the target (";if they do so, when firing their prism cannon they must target the unit that the first fire prism targeted with it's prism cannon") quote from the stratagem.

linked fire cannot be used in this scenario because forewarned can only be used once in the phase Do note however that this is for matched play only, if it is open or narrative this can indeed be done if multiple Forwarning's are used on multiple fire prisms

   
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Piedmont N.C. of the usa

Ok. Its just how i intrepretted link fire then. It sounded like it stated that when prism one is selected that the others could then be called upon to link with it. It just says.

Until then (the end of that phase) any prism can link fire with the selected prism if it is visible and within 60 inches.

Im guess this raw is to be intrepreted as the other prisms may target the first prism when they are activated for their shooting..? The raw could have said when any other prism activates for during the remainder of thw shooting phase it may choose to link with the slected prism.

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through strength, I gain POWER,
through power, I gain VICTORY through. victory, MY CHAINS are BROKEN.

 
   
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I think you’re wrong.

Forewarned says a unit near the farseer can open fire. Okay.

Then linked fire says other fire prisms may engage that same target.

So what’s the problem? They don’t seem to conflict at all to me.
   
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Forewarned doesn't stack with linked fire. Linked fire still requires each other Fire Prism to be selected to shoot - Forewarned only allows you to select a single unit to shoot.
   
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They don't conflict, but the Fire Prism wanting to benefit has to physically be in range.
   
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warpedpig wrote:
I think you’re wrong.

Forewarned says a unit near the farseer can open fire. Okay.

Then linked fire says other fire prisms may engage that same target.

So what’s the problem? They don’t seem to conflict at all to me.


Linked Fire states that the other prisms may link fire with the first - Forewarned still would not allow them to shoot.
   
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The fire prism near the farseer is the only one selecting a target and firing at it. The other fire prisms are simply feeding energy to the shooting fire prism. They aren’t really shooting at the target themselves. And if you wanna just keep all your fire prisms in a unit together. It doesn’t matter anyway.
   
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warpedpig wrote:
The fire prism near the farseer is the only one selecting a target and firing at it. The other fire prisms are simply feeding energy to the shooting fire prism. They aren’t really shooting at the target themselves. And if you wanna just keep all your fire prisms in a unit together. It doesn’t matter anyway.


Except that is not how it works.

First Fire Prisms can not be taken as a unit.
Second, all the stratagem does is allow Fire Prisms within range and LOS to the initial Prism to ignore LOS and re-roll hits and wounds against the first Prism's target. So if you use the stratagem, you do not fire the initial Fire Prism's Prism cannon. Then all other Fire Prisms who can shoot (none) fire. Then the first Prism fires gaining no benefits from the stratagem.

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 Farseer_V2 wrote:
Forewarned doesn't stack with linked fire. Linked fire still requires each other Fire Prism to be selected to shoot - Forewarned only allows you to select a single unit to shoot.


Agree with this. Nothing about Linked Fire changes the fact that Forewarned only allows a single unit to fire. Multiple Fire Prisms are multiple units, therefore this is not a valid strategy.

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