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Okay so I have finally decided to swallow the bullet and save up on getting myself a DKoK army. Any advice on what to buy first and how many I'd need to make a decent point army? Also would they be compatible with my regular Cadian army? I was thinking I'd play them as reskinned Cadian guys. Or make them a sort of umbrella force under one command structure.

Also since I don't want to open another thread I'd like to ask if my current army would be good enough.

Back in 2010 I bought the Cadian battleforce with 3 HWT 20 Guardsmen and a Command squad, 1 sentinel. Also have a Leman Russ, 1 Baneblade, 1 Stormlord baneblade variant. Would that be enough to be a decent army or would I need more things to supplement my forces?

Also new to the forum so would like to give out a good hello to the community.

The DKOK are an Imperial Guard regiment like any other, so while they do have specific rules in the books Forge World release you can just run them as regular Guard instead. In that case, a Krieg Guardsman with Lasgun is no different to your Cadian with a Lasgun. A Krieg Lascannon team is no different to a Catachan Lascannon team. The only time you'll have issues is when you come across specialised DKOK units like Engineers and Death Riders, but the former can just be run as shotgun-armed Veterans. Rough Riders now only exist as an entry in the Imperium Index now I believe, so if you want to run those models and you're not using the specific DKOK rules from FW, then the Index is your only option. I believe in the latest AM Codex the Rough Riders have been completely removed. The DKOK also used to have their own stormtroopers called Grenadiers - they were amazing models with skull-masks and body armour, but FW got rid of them (same way Cadian Kasrkin got the boot) so they could force everyone to buy the new Scions from GW. A poor move, but that's just my opinion...

So with that said, unless you plan on getting the Imperial Armour books (I don't know if they've been updated since then?) for the specific DKOK rules, then you can just use the standard Codex: Astra Militarum rules and run them that way. Running DKOK models alongside Cadian models is no issue either, but be aware the scales are different so if you were looking to do any swaps it won't look right. Cadians are beefy, and the Kriegsmen are much more slender and more 'true-scale' rather than Heroic. But fighting side-by-side is no problem. Its very common in both the real world and the universe of 40K for allied forces to fight beside eachother, and no-one will have an issue with various Guard regiments in the same army. For example, if you had an infantry squad of Krieg Guardsmen supported by Cadian heavy weapon teams and a Catachan Sentinel there's no problem there, unless someone can clarify? I doubt you'd be able to use any Regimental Doctrines though.

As for your army, I suggest getting the Codex if you haven't already. That will let you know the requirements for basic army composition. You can already have a basic, legal army it if you run those 20 Guardsmen as Veterans for your 2 Troops choices and your Command Squad as an HQ choice. This will be explained in detail in the Codex, so like I say if you haven't got it that needs to be your first port of call so you can understand where each IG unit fits in and therefore how to best expand your army.

Thanks for the reply. I suppose I should go and pick up the latest IG codex. That's a good start. I just hope that my current army would still hold up to the recent ruleset or I'd have to buy more guardsmen. As for the Kriegers I might forgo their heavy weapons team and grab their commissar and about 20 Krieger troops. I can supplement the rest with my Cadian army now that you mention that I can just combine them. Would definitely save me some cash. Once I get more dosh though I might actually build an entire Krieg themed army.

I just wish one of these days GW would give us the option for other IG regiment apart from Cadia. I'd pay through the nose for a Battleforce size Steel Legion or Mordians. Also hope they'd release the Kriegers in plastic so I don't have to sell my spleen to get one squad.

Also even though I bought these models back then I only got them for how cool they looked and from Dawn of War. I've never touched the gaming side of the hobby. I only recently got in when I bought the Know No Fear starter set. So I suppose that's the very first time I've actually played the game.

Not sure about past editions but I'm finding the current ed pretty fun. I just hope my boys are up to speed with the current state of things.

Anyways thanks again. And yeah it's a real bloody shame classic Kasrskin and the Grenadiers were given the axe. I have nothing against the Tempestus Scions as I think they do look kinda cool but my heart still goes for the classics.

Just because the Grenadiers aren't currently in production, doesn't mean they won't be produced and sold again in the future. Grenadiers are still a legal unit in the DKoK-list in the latest IA Index, and FW are still selling some of the Grenadier kits.

Most likely the Grenadiers aren't being sold because FW has to remaster the moulds. This happens all the time with them, and the Grenadier mould is probably complicated because of all the cables.

DKoK is still one of FW best selling product lines, and the Grenadiers are easily one of the most iconic designs for that line with their skull masks and all. It would make no sense to remove them, so there's got to be a technical reason why they're not around atm.

I'd love to be proved wrong, but it has been an exceptionally long time since they disappeared. That said, FW has never been great at being timely...

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I'd love to be proved wrong, but it has been an exceptionally long time since they disappeared. That said, FW has never been great at being timely...

It's been a long time, but when they first disappeared FW said that it was for mold repairs (apparently a more extensive rework than just making a new copy). It's possible that the mold repairs were enough of a problem that FW gave up on it, but I'd find it hard to believe given how popular the models are.

I'm sure it's on their to-do list, it's just that FW has been understaffed for a long time, and Grenadiers don't seem to be a priority atm.