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What in the heck happened here...I mean...wow..where is the oversight?! It is utterly insane.

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/1/30/16951316/opioid-epidemic-painkillers-west-virginia-shipments

If you want to know how the opioid epidemic got so out of control, it’s hard to do better than this statistic: Between 2006 and 2016, out-of-state drug companies shipped nearly 21 million opioid painkillers to two pharmacies in Williamson, West Virginia, population 2,900.

from 2007 to 2012, drug firms poured a total of 780 million painkillers into the state — which has a total population of about 1.8 million. The small town of Kermit had a population of 392, but a single pharmacy there received 9 million hydrocodone pills over two years from out-of-state drug companies.



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That's because it's too easy to "shop" for doctors who'd write you a script, where the doc is totally unaware of their patient's narc purchase history AND that the retail pharmacy being in the dark as well.

The industry is changing though... but, it still has a long way to go to counter this bs.

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The doctors in those towns of 392 and 2900 should lose their licenses.

Completely out of control

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 kronk wrote:
The doctors in those towns of 392 and 2900 should lose their licenses.

Completely out of control


That and investigate pharmacy or local hospitals etc.
This much stock does not come into a area and no one not notice somthing strange going on.

Alot of people have known about this surely... This does not happen in isolation.

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Just throwing this out there but... end cannabis prohibition.

 
   
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Hang on so are they just shipping it there or was it all prescribed there?

i could understand if it was being used as a distribution center because of raisins like tax or some other bs law they are trying to bypass. if not thats messed up yo.


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It helps when you don't have huge pharmaceutical companies actively lying to people.

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I just finished reading 'A Planet Named Shayol' by Cordwainer Smith and they way it portrayed addiction was really scary.

Having lived a nice, sheltered, middle class existence, I've never really spent any time around serious druggies. I know it must feel nice, but I struggle to understand why you would let your life be held hostage by a little pill or needle!
   
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 Kroem wrote:
I just finished reading 'A Planet Named Shayol' by Cordwainer Smith and they way it portrayed addiction was really scary.

Having lived a nice, sheltered, middle class existence, I've never really spent any time around serious druggies. I know it must feel nice, but I struggle to understand why you would let your life be held hostage by a little pill or needle!


Imagine your head feeling like it's about to burst, being unable to sleep for days and every waking hour being hell. It's not about "letting" the pills or needle do anything, once you're addicted it takes a tremendous willpower to just stop without help from outside forces.

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 Kroem wrote:
I just finished reading 'A Planet Named Shayol' by Cordwainer Smith and they way it portrayed addiction was really scary.

Having lived a nice, sheltered, middle class existence, I've never really spent any time around serious druggies. I know it must feel nice, but I struggle to understand why you would let your life be held hostage by a little pill or needle!


A lot of people have serious mental health issues, suffered childhood abuse, tramua from a bad attack or sexual assault, or might be war veterans who saw too much and are suffering from PTSD or something.

I've known a couple of alcoholics in my time, and they know it's bad for them, they know it's messed them up, cost them everything, but sadly, they can't help themselves.

I hope people don't take this the wrong way, but in my experience, I think part of society is more than happy just to throw these people drugs or alcohol and keep them quiet for a while, and somebody else can deal with the problem later when I'm not in government and happily retired.

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 Kroem wrote:
I just finished reading 'A Planet Named Shayol' by Cordwainer Smith and they way it portrayed addiction was really scary.

Having lived a nice, sheltered, middle class existence, I've never really spent any time around serious druggies. I know it must feel nice, but I struggle to understand why you would let your life be held hostage by a little pill or needle!


Imagine your head feeling like it's about to burst, being unable to sleep for days and every waking hour being hell. It's not about "letting" the pills or needle do anything, once you're addicted it takes a tremendous willpower to just stop without help from outside forces.


Better question then would be why take it in first place? Especially stuff that is known to make you so crazy you can literally think it's good idea jumping out of apartment's window(and costs arm and teeth for added fun)

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tneva82 wrote:

Better question then would be why take it in first place? Especially stuff that is known to make you so crazy you can literally think it's good idea jumping out of apartment's window(and costs arm and teeth for added fun)



Lots of reasons: https://abtrs.com/news/top-10-reasons-why-people-abuse-drugs


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tneva82 wrote:

Better question then would be why take it in first place? Especially stuff that is known to make you so crazy you can literally think it's good idea jumping out of apartment's window(and costs arm and teeth for added fun)



Well there's a few reasons

1) For those who are in severe physical pain sometimes the only relief is very powerful painkiller drugs; which have the risk of addiction. The addiction risk is considered the lesser element as opposed to mentally damaging levels of pain, which could seriously hinder proper recovery from the operation/injury.
So you don't go in from any bad intent, its purely to manage high levels of pain as part of a normal operation procedure. However once the addiction sets in it becomes very hard to come off the drug at the end of the process. So once you're no longer able to get it on proscription people who become addicted (and its not detected and treated) will seek out other pain killers and sources of drugs toget the same effect.

2) Peer pressure. Never ever underestimate this. Get in the with the "wrong crowd" and people can be very easily led down the path toward casual drug use which can build into heavier and heavier use and then full out addiction. Sometimes those who lead the way aren't the ones who get addicted, but will lead others on into addiction.

3) Lack of awareness/understanding. Many people don't understand nor respect the risks with regard to addiction and drugs. Heck many can often see it as a way to rebel against the man/system/parents/teachers/police/whatever. They don't want to be controlled or dictated too and besides alcohol is a drug and its legal and painkillers are legal and besides you won't get addicted, only deadbeats do that. You'll be fine now lets have some fun and take a bit of this stuff.

4) Dodgy sources. A bad drug source can mean that the drug one takes can be cut with harder or more addicted substances. This, of course, pulls people in without them realising and once they are hooked they've got to keep using that same supplier who keeps providing the drug they are addicted too.



I don't think any sane people of normal thinking go into the use of drugs initially with the view of getting addicted. They either have no choice (pain relief); or lack understanding/awareness or simply go in with the normal view of "It won't happen to me". Then it does.


Also don't forget that drug addiction works like a mental illness; it changes how a person thinks and reacts to stimulus and as such they are not thinking normally and will not react to situations in the same way as others. They'll put up a lot of barriers against even accepting that they are addicted etc...




A lot of this is why many cannot recover from addiction without significant outside help; and for some that outside help will have to be life-long.

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 Overread wrote:


4) Dodgy sources. A bad drug source can mean that the drug one takes can be cut with harder or more addicted substances. This, of course, pulls people in without them realising and once they are hooked they've got to keep using that same supplier who keeps providing the drug they are addicted too.


In 2015/2016, there was a rash of overdoses in the Pittsburgh area from heroine that someone cut with elephant tranquilizers. It was all over the news every time I was in town for work.

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 Kroem wrote:
I just finished reading 'A Planet Named Shayol' by Cordwainer Smith and they way it portrayed addiction was really scary.

Having lived a nice, sheltered, middle class existence, I've never really spent any time around serious druggies. I know it must feel nice, but I struggle to understand why you would let your life be held hostage by a little pill or needle!


When it seems that you have nowhere to go but up and even that seems impossible, the thought of being able to escape it all, even for a mere few hours, can be incredibly tempting.

And once you have grown dependant on that escape, giving it up and having to face your situation with no support is very difficult.

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 kronk wrote:
In 2015/2016, there was a rash of overdoses in the Pittsburgh area from heroine that someone cut with elephant tranquilizers. It was all over the news every time I was in town for work.


Well doc, some of these guys are pretty big.


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 Ouze wrote:
 kronk wrote:
In 2015/2016, there was a rash of overdoses in the Pittsburgh area from heroine that someone cut with elephant tranquilizers. It was all over the news every time I was in town for work.


Well doc, some of these guys are pretty big.


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I got that reference!

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tneva82 wrote:
Better question then would be why take it in first place? Especially stuff that is known to make you so crazy you can literally think it's good idea jumping out of apartment's window(and costs arm and teeth for added fun)



I've been deliberately avoiding participating in this thread for a while, but I can provide you with an anecdote.

Hi, I'm daedalus. I've recreationally had Vicodin before, and may do so at some point again in the future. I'm not some scary naer-do-well (well, I'd be proud if I was accused of being so), I work a nice boring white collar upper-middle class stuffy business type job, don't come from a broken home, and generally am regarded as an upstanding person.

I first took Vicodin for a hand injury (there's actually a picture of the injury in a dakka thread somewhere around here) when I stabbed myself in the hand with a knife because I was prying bits off an Rhino I bought from ebay. I think it was 7-8 stitches. I enjoyed the Vicodin because it didn't make me nauseous or anything, but it made me really relaxed and calm feeling, and I didn't have a whole lot of that in my life. Still don't really. My job is super stressful, but it's too good to quit.

So I found ways to get Vicodin. It wasn't cheap, but I was making a decent amount of money, and I didn't have anything else to spend it on. There's a way to extract the opiate from the pill itself with some basic knowledge and access to a kitchen. I'm not going to talk about it here in some effort to be responsible, but it allows the separation of the active ingredient from the acetaminophen, which is bad to take with alcohol. Shoot the dixie cup of dissolved opiate, chase with a couple of beers, play some video games or listen to some music, and then enjoy blissful sleep with absolutely zero side effects the next morning. Better living through superior chemistry.

Having that been said, I know of people who have had heroin issues. I know of people who turned into pill junkies. I always made it a point to never let stuff like that turn into a habit, because I saw what it would do to them.

I'm not addicted. It's really not a one way street to addiction*, no matter what people tell you. For me it's been a little over a year since I've had any (that time it was for a legitimate foot injury) and it's been at least 3-4 years since the last time I've had any recreationally. There's a few reasons for that. I don't need it, it's expensive, and from what I've heard, a lot of the illicit stuff in my area is supposed to be scary powerful compared to how that stuff used to be. I don't WANT to get addicted though, and I'm 100% aware of the risks of taking such things, but I make my own choices and prepare myself to live with them because I'm an adult, so there I am.

And I've felt addiction. I voluntarily stopped smoking because I wanted to lower my blood pressure. That, ladies and gentlemen, is a bitch.

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There are distinct differences between the recreational users vs. those are chemically dependent on opiods.

The former is what I'd call "self-medicating" while the latter is incredibly dangerous for the user, such that if they were to go cold-turkey, will feth you up emotionally...not to mention the shock can kill...

Another newish drug on the black market is Fentanyl...

Stay.The.Feth.Away.From.Fentanyl!

That gak is fething strong... such that, vice police been known to OD on the job by simply picking up baggies filled with it with their bare hands.

Fun note... our elders knew how to party.... (who needs krunk?)
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Speaking of sheltered upbringings. When visiting a friend's place my first comment at her door was "why do you live next to junkies?". ...The whole outside hallway stunk of Meth.

...Which is only a smell which I attached to that drug later in life. It gave perspective to some of the flats I found myself in as a child (better than what you smell on Monday morning commute though).

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 daedalus wrote:

I'm not addicted. It's really not a one way street to addiction*, no matter what people tell you.


Not to single you out for this viewpoint, but this is one of the reasons that there is a high risk with drugs. Because addiction is not a guarantee. There are many people who will, as you do, use drugs casually or recreationally where there is no addiction and where the user is aware of it enough and has the willpower to avoid it (and that willpower could come from just pure fear of becoming an addict).

And because addiction isn't a guarantee there's always a segment of the drug culture user base who consider themselves safe users; much the very same as a large percentage of people drink alcohol socially, might get tipsy once or twice a year or only on a big occasion; but otherwise could live without drink.

It's that safe group that is dangerous because they are often the peer-pressure gateway for people who do wind up addicts. Far as I'm aware there's no perfect science in being able to predict if someone will become an addict if they've no prior experience/behaviour.



Of course the other fipside is people experimenting with stronger or harsher drugs once they've got into it via a tamer drug, or the afore mentioned bad supplier mixing in other drugs to hook people on substances that are far more addicting.

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Jesus Horatio Christ! Whats happening to the world when not recognising the smell of meth counts as a sheltered upbringing... haha!

The question is whether the problem lies with;

a) People blithely accepting needless and excessive opiod prescriptions
b) The doctors writing those prescriptions
c) The pharma companies aggressively driving sales of these medications
d) The Afgani and Burmese peasants growing the poppies
e) All of the above

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Another issue to keep in mind is just for a very large number of people with addiction, it has long ago gone way past the point of “getting high”. Many addicts won’t ever get high anymore, and their pursuit of the next hit is not driven by wanting to feel “good”. For many people with addiction, every hit is just enough to drive the withdrawal away for a tiny moment. They don’t get high when the drugs hit their system, they just get to have a moment free of the feeling that their body is trying to kill them.

Take caffeine as an example: many people first try caffeine to get that extra pep in their step, feel more awake and productive, get some energy. It makes them feel good, they can quit that coffee anytime they want, it’s no problem. Now, after some time, they skip their morning cup of Columbian powder. They figure they can do without, they don’t need it. By noon, the withdrawals kick in and that headache is starting up. By 2pm you can feel every word of the office gossip punch the inside of your skull, and the computer screen is like a dagger shooting through your eyeball.

So you break down and get a cup of coffee from the break room, you don’t even care that it’s the crap from this morning because nobody in this damn office knows how to brew a new pot rather than leave a single cup of brown festering into a bitter slime. But you drink it anyway, not because you want some extra “pep” in your step at 2pm on Monday before you attend another meeting that could have been an email. You drink it because you just want the damn pain to go away.

Now imagine that same issue, but with heavy drugs instead of caffeine, and you can have a better understanding of why so many people keep on using.
   
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Man, your coffee experiences are way different than mine.

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 Overread wrote:

Not to single you out for this viewpoint, but this is one of the reasons that there is a high risk with drugs. Because addiction is not a guarantee. There are many people who will, as you do, use drugs casually or recreationally where there is no addiction and where the user is aware of it enough and has the willpower to avoid it (and that willpower could come from just pure fear of becoming an addict).


Sure, that's fair. Everyone's "the safe user" and it could never happen to them, right? Goes hand in hand with the concept that no one goes into a habit with the intention of getting addicted. Can't argue with that.

I only stated that because I've seen a strange notion (usually among what i'd describe as the more uptight puritanical types I've met here in the US) that if you happen to enjoy something once and "wouldn't mind doing something again", then you must be "addicted" to it, at least if it happens to be a drug. There's a lot of notions about that kind of stuff that just seem bizarre in how they're taken to such extremes and oversimplified. I don't know if they just listened too closely in their DARE classes or something.

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Some people are just wired to be addicts. Out of my circle of a dozen or so friends in my early 20s, we would party hard most nights. Then after a few years, it started to interfere with our lives so we mostly stopped. A couple guys couldn't stop, despite the fact that it was causing them real problems with relationships and work. Those two are wired for addiction, and needed professional help to quit drinking and drugs, and maintenance and support for the rest of their life.

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Another angle on it is that an opioid prescription isn't "using illegal drugs" - people might genuinly think they're not drug users, or at least have an easier time doing the mental gymnastics that prove they're not drug users. So it's a legal, more socially acceptable way of doing what poor people are put in jail for. Just like downing a bottle of fine wine every evening isn't alcoholism, unlike drinking 12 beers or 4 shots of whisky.

Addiction is for poor people, often lawbreakers to boot. We better people are above that.

The above was meant to show one way someone might think about it, not to look down on the poor (I'm not exactly rich either ofc).
   
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My wife has had multiple surgeries, and the doctors always seem to prescribe the hardest-hitting painkillers they can. We end up telling them no narcotics please and throwing away bottles of Vicodin.

   
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 Ouze wrote:
Man, your coffee experiences are way different than mine.


Not everyone experiences caffeine withdrawal the same. I get a headache if I skip my cola or tea, but that's it, an annoying headache, not a skullbusting migraine. But it's a one-day thing and it's over, and a tylenol/advil kills the headache. But I don't drink coffee, which has more caffeine than either of my chosen vectors.

   
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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
We end up telling them no narcotics please and throwing away bottles of Vicodin.


(cries internally)

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