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Howdy all,

So I recently came into a Chaos Daemons Codex, and I'm planning on making a mono-nurgle army (basically Death Guard + Nurgle Daemons). However, reading through the codices left me with a lot of questions:

1) Epidemus - Does his tally work for all Nurgle Daemons? Why I ask is that Foetid Bloat Drones and PBC's are Nurgle as a faction keyword, and Daemon as a main keyword. So my interpretation would be that all these benefits from Epidemus would be bestowed to all my PBC's and Drones, correct?
2) Locus of Virulence - same as above, except that does this mean that shooting would do extra damage if I rolled 6's? This would mean Plaguespitters could potentially be 2 damage....
3) Fleshy Abundance - same as above, except that I would be able to heal my tanks with this?
4) DAEMON PRINCE OF CHAOS FROM DEATH GUARD CODEX - Prince of Chaos states that you can reroll 1's of Death Guard and Nurgle Daemons... so that means he would work, essentially, like a DP of Nurgle within Codex: Daemons AND still work for DG?

Thanks for any help, I tried searching but couldn't find any solid answers to these questions

I have a list that leans into all of these things, and asked a question about all this in detail a month or so ago.

I was basically told everything works exactly how you're writing it up, except Chaos Daemon stratagems, due to their "special snowflake" FAQ.

You'll have to be a little careful with psychic abilities, since they typically have specific eligible targets, but all the auras work cleanly.
edit: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/749659.page

hollow one wrote:
I have a list that leans into all of these things, and asked a question about all this in detail a month or so ago.

I was basically told everything works exactly how you're writing it up, except Chaos Daemon stratagems, due to their "special snowflake" FAQ.

You'll have to be a little careful with psychic abilities, since they typically have specific eligible targets, but all the auras work cleanly.
edit: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/749659.page

Seems like Strategems only work if its in your Faction Keywords, looking into the FAQ's it moved around the Daemon keywords for many units because of this. This is why this became a question for me, lol. Thanks so much!

Yea. Daemon is the only keyword that also came is either factions or general keywords.

If you look at stratagems, you can clearly see that unless the stratagem is calling out specific units, it usually refers to a faction keyword. (Example is HERETIC ASTARTES in the death guard codex)

People think that the daemons FAQ is a special snowflake rule, but it is actually not as if you look at stratagems they actually refer to faction keywords. Hence it is just affiirming that faction keywords are important for stratagems (Stratergies used by armies. Quite a no brainer there)

On another note. This actually contradicts another thing (I think it was "Getting in 40k 8th edition"?) that said Keywords during battle had no difference. However this one was a suggested guideline of how to play 8th edition, and since then we have had different changes to things since then

mchammadad wrote:
Yea. Daemon is the only keyword that also came is either factions or general keywords.

If you look at stratagems, you can clearly see that unless the stratagem is calling out specific units, it usually refers to a faction keyword. (Example is HERETIC ASTARTES in the death guard codex)

People think that the daemons FAQ is a special snowflake rule, but it is actually not as if you look at stratagems they actually refer to faction keywords. Hence it is just affiirming that faction keywords are important for stratagems (Stratergies used by armies. Quite a no brainer there)

On another note. This actually contradicts another thing (I think it was "Getting in 40k 8th edition"?) that said Keywords during battle had no difference. However this one was a suggested guideline of how to play 8th edition, and since then we have had different changes to things since then

It makes you wonder what the hell their designers were thinking?

Like... why is Deamon both a faction Keyword and a Unit Keyword.

Why isn't the Faction DEAMON and the unit WARPSPAWN or DENIZEN OF THE WARP or some gak. It would have been easy enough from the get go to have this never be an issue to begin with.

even NEVERBORN would of worked.... but ohh well. I guess they though people would of noticed these little things by now

(Funny enough i noticed it when the FAQ came out, i then looked up the stratagems of other codexes and i found tht connection. It was that AHA moment

mchammadad wrote:
even NEVERBORN would of worked.... but ohh well. I guess they though people would of noticed these little things by now

Neverborn would probably cause intellectual property issues with Wyrd games.

 Lance845 wrote:

mchammadad wrote:
Yea. Daemon is the only keyword that also came is either factions or general keywords.

If you look at stratagems, you can clearly see that unless the stratagem is calling out specific units, it usually refers to a faction keyword. (Example is HERETIC ASTARTES in the death guard codex)

People think that the daemons FAQ is a special snowflake rule, but it is actually not as if you look at stratagems they actually refer to faction keywords. Hence it is just affiirming that faction keywords are important for stratagems (Stratergies used by armies. Quite a no brainer there)

On another note. This actually contradicts another thing (I think it was "Getting in 40k 8th edition"?) that said Keywords during battle had no difference. However this one was a suggested guideline of how to play 8th edition, and since then we have had different changes to things since then

It makes you wonder what the hell their designers were thinking?

Like... why is Deamon both a faction Keyword and a Unit Keyword.

Why isn't the Faction DEAMON and the unit WARPSPAWN or DENIZEN OF THE WARP or some gak. It would have been easy enough from the get go to have this never be an issue to begin with.

You mean exactly like how successful to-wound rolls only cause wounds when you fail your save, which then make you lose wounds equal to their damage? Unless they are mortal wounds, of course.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:

mchammadad wrote:
Yea. Daemon is the only keyword that also came is either factions or general keywords.

If you look at stratagems, you can clearly see that unless the stratagem is calling out specific units, it usually refers to a faction keyword. (Example is HERETIC ASTARTES in the death guard codex)

People think that the daemons FAQ is a special snowflake rule, but it is actually not as if you look at stratagems they actually refer to faction keywords. Hence it is just affiirming that faction keywords are important for stratagems (Stratergies used by armies. Quite a no brainer there)

On another note. This actually contradicts another thing (I think it was "Getting in 40k 8th edition"?) that said Keywords during battle had no difference. However this one was a suggested guideline of how to play 8th edition, and since then we have had different changes to things since then

It makes you wonder what the hell their designers were thinking?

Like... why is Deamon both a faction Keyword and a Unit Keyword.

Why isn't the Faction DEAMON and the unit WARPSPAWN or DENIZEN OF THE WARP or some gak. It would have been easy enough from the get go to have this never be an issue to begin with.

You mean exactly like how successful to-wound rolls only cause wounds when you fail your save, which then make you lose wounds equal to their damage? Unless they are mortal wounds, of course.

I also noticed they abandoned the idea of special rules in the Demons codex; all the Nurgle weapons just state if you re-roll all wounds, or only wounds of a 1, which is easier than which weapons are and are not plague weapons from the DG codex. They want to simplify things, but then they insist on trying to inject all these keywords and special names for things... then why did they do away with USR's? Had they kept those it would be way easier to keep track of who what what. I STILL call DR rolls Feel No Pain lol...

To be fair, Plague Weapons in the DG codex actually have rules that care about them, unlike the weapons in the daemon codex.

 Jidmah wrote:
To be fair, Plague Weapons in the DG codex actually have rules that care about them, unlike the weapons in the daemon codex.

This is true