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Hail warlords

This is an attempt at a competitive pure space wolf list.
The idea is that ragnar, the larger grey hunter squad, the intercessors and helblasters all go on the hunt (outflank), ragnar allows a bubble of re roll failed charges so increases the chance for and alpha strike and re rolls of 1s to safely over charge the plasma guns . This will hopefully disrupt the enemy line enough for the raider and rhino to advance up the field.
Arjac, wolf priest and terminators ride the raider the priest for re rolls to hit and healing, arjac for re roll wounds of 1 and an extra attack for my heavy hitters.
The other greys ride the rhino to take points backed up by bjorn while fangs lay cover fire.

Any and all advice is welcome

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Space Wolves) [47 PL, 746pts] ++

+ HQ +

Ragnar Blackmane [9 PL, 153pts]: 1. Legendary Fighter, Warlord
. Svangir & Ulfgir: Svangir, Ulfgir

Wolf Priest [5 PL, 82pts]: Plasma pistol

+ Troops +

Grey Hunters [11 PL, 168pts]: 9x Chainsword
. Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Power axe
. 6x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol
. Grey Hunter w/Plasma Pistol: Plasma pistol
. Grey Hunter with Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Plasma gun
. Grey Hunter with Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Plasma gun

Grey Hunters [6 PL, 87pts]: 4x Chainsword
. Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Power axe
. 3x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol
. Grey Hunter with Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Meltagun

Grey Hunters [6 PL, 94pts]: 4x Chainsword
. Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Power fist
. 3x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol
. Grey Hunter with Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Meltagun

Intercessor Squad [6 PL, 90pts]: Bolt rifles, 4x Intercessor, Intercessor Sergeant

+ Dedicated Transport +

Rhino [4 PL, 72pts]: Storm bolter

++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Space Wolves) [68 PL, 1252pts] ++

+ HQ +

Arjac Rockfist [7 PL, 145pts]

Bjorn the Fell-handed [14 PL, 242pts]: Heavy flamer, Helfrost cannon

+ Elites +

Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour [15 PL, 222pts]
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Frost axe, Storm shield
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Storm shield, Thunder hammer
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Storm shield, Thunder hammer
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Storm shield, Thunder hammer
. Wolf Guard Pack Leader in Terminator Armour: Wolf Claw (Pair)

+ Heavy Support +

Hellblaster Squad [8 PL, 165pts]: Plasma Incinerator
. 4x Hellblaster
. Hellblaster Sergeant: Bolt pistol

Land Raider Crusader [17 PL, 308pts]: 2x Hurricane bolter, Twin assault cannon

Long Fangs [7 PL, 170pts]
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang Pack Leader: Boltgun and Bolt Pistol, Chainsword

++ Total: [115 PL, 1998pts] ++

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Alternative
Used similar to the above.
Ragnar, the helblasters, gun terminators scouts and the lone wolf start in reserve. Strike early to disrupt heavy weapons against bjorn, the raider and long fangs.
Ulric arjac and the melee terms are in the raider to smash anything in their way



++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Space Wolves) [62 PL, 1187pts] ++

+ HQ +

Bjorn the Fell-handed [14 PL, 242pts]: Heavy flamer, Helfrost cannon

Ragnar Blackmane [9 PL, 153pts]
. Svangir & Ulfgir: Svangir, Ulfgir

+ Elites +

Lone Wolf [5 PL, 102pts]: Power fist, Storm shield

+ Heavy Support +

Hellblaster Squad [8 PL, 165pts]: Plasma Incinerator
. 4x Hellblaster
. Hellblaster Sergeant: Bolt pistol

Land Raider Crusader [17 PL, 335pts]: 2x Hurricane bolter, Multi-melta, Twin assault cannon

Long Fangs [9 PL, 190pts]
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang Pack Leader: Boltgun and Bolt Pistol, Chainsword
. Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Chainsword, Storm shield

++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Space Wolves) [54 PL, 812pts] ++

+ HQ +

Arjac Rockfist [7 PL, 145pts]

Ulrik The Slayer [7 PL, 110pts]

+ Elites +

Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour [15 PL, 217pts]
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Power axe, Storm shield
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Storm shield, Thunder hammer
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Storm shield, Thunder hammer
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Storm shield, Thunder hammer
. Wolf Guard Pack Leader in Terminator Armour: Wolf Claw (Pair)

Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour [15 PL, 215pts]
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Power fist, Storm bolter
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Power fist, Storm bolter
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Power fist, Storm bolter
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour with Heavy Weapon: Assault cannon, Power fist
. Wolf Guard Pack Leader in Terminator Armour: Frost sword, Storm bolter

Wolf Scouts [10 PL, 125pts]
. Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Chainsword, Combi-melta
. Wolf Scout: Combat knife
. Wolf Scout: Combat knife
. Wolf Scout: Boltgun
. Wolf Scout Pack Leader: Bolt pistol, Power axe
. Wolf Scout with Heavy Weapon: Meltagun
. Wolf Scout with Melee Weapon: Combat knife, Plasma pistol

++ Total: [116 PL, 1999pts] ++

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Only LR can shoot out some horde lists in your roster. And that will be 1st target for your opponnent. Hordes gonna run you down! I wound swap Lascannons for Missle Launchers on your Longfangs.
You've got 1/4 points in your HQ slots. I would consider to replace one of them with some TAC Razorback.
Also zero psyker-protection, zero screen vs. enemy DS.

Don't be mad at me, but this is not cometitive list!

 Wisnias wrote:
Only LR can shoot out some horde lists in your roster. And that will be 1st target for your opponnent. Hordes gonna run you doThe wound swap Lascannons for Missle Launchers on your Longfangs.
You've got 1/4 points in your HQ slots. I would consider to replace one of them with some TAC Razorback.
Also zero psyker-protection, zero screen vs. enemy DS.

Don't be mad at me, but this is not cometitive list!

Well met, don't worry I'm not mad. I wouldn't post at all if I didn't want feedback I thought lascannons were my main anti tank threat but I will look at missiles thank you I did think that the raider was too much of a target. Any ideas on ways around it?
Think the first list maybe better with the grey hunters to deal with hordes? Also more tanks to spread target pirory

Aggressors are the best way to deal with the hordes in SW at the moment. Also 2-3 Razorbacks with TLAC with some rerolls from Bjorn. Missle Launchers can handle some light vehicles, but overcharged Hellblasters can do it much better. Maybe try to add few of them. You've got 4 troops, delete one, delete this overpriced Scouts and you've got a lot of points to spend!

BTW, if you want to make a big Plasma Grey Hunters Squad, you should build it more like this:

Grey Hunters [13 PL, 178pts]
. Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Chainsword
. 5x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol
. Grey Hunter w/Plasma Pistol: Plasma pistol
. Grey Hunter with Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Plasma gun
. Grey Hunter with Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Plasma gun
. Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Chainsword, Combi-plasma.

It's 10 man squad aswell, but with 1 more combiplasma

 Wisnias wrote:
Aggressors are the best way to deal with the hordes in SW at the moment. Also 2-3 Razorbacks with TLAC with some rerolls from Bjorn. Missle Launchers can handle some light vehicles, but overcharged Hellblasters can do it much better. Maybe try to add few of them. You've got 4 troops, delete one, delete this overpriced Scouts and you've got a lot of points to spend!

BTW, if you want to make a big Plasma Grey Hunters Squad, you should build it more like this:

Grey Hunters [13 PL, 178pts]
. Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Chainsword
. 5x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol
. Grey Hunter w/Plasma Pistol: Plasma pistol
. Grey Hunter with Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Plasma gun
. Grey Hunter with Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Plasma gun
. Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Chainsword, Combi-plasma.

It's 10 man squad aswell, but with 1 more combiplasma

Thanks man this is great feed back I will try and work this in.
Sadly I do not have razors or a combi plasma nor money to get them but I've got 4000+ points worth of wolves to work with and this is very helpful

No problem. I would also recommend WLBL and WL on Thunderwolves with TH/SS or PF/SS! These sons of bitches are really hard to kill. Try them out, im playing with these on tournamments from Chappter Approved has released. You can find my list somewhere on Forum.

Greeting from Poland, pal! Cya around!

 Wisnias wrote:
No problem. I would also recommend WLBL and WL on Thunderwolves with TH/SS or PF/SS! These sons of bitches are really hard to kill

Try them out, im playing with these on tournamments from Chappter Approved has released. You can find my list somewhere on Forum.

Greeting from Poland, pal! Cya around!

Yeah so I have seen sadly don't have them either (I'm an old wolf player coming back. Sorry to ask since you have already been so helpful but do you think one of the lists on here Msybe more competive? https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/751181.page.

Greetings from new Zealand bro cya in the world

Hard to say, because your link isn't working for me (error 404).

 Wisnias wrote:
Hard to say, because your link isn't working for me (error 404).

That's odd. Sorry here it is again
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/751181.page

Otherwise its my 2k wolves and kreig post

Yea that's a better list. Solo Wolves are weak cometitive now, sadly...

But again, you have too expensive units. Change lascannon heavy weapon team into two separate mortars heavy weapon teams. Also keep your infantry squads cheaper. I like 40-45p squads.
Not enough dakka to kill hordes again in those rosters. Mortars and Leman Russ Punisher is the answer. Change one of your battlecannon LR into punisher LR. Second thought about Russes is that, they are much better when played as Tank Commanders in LR. 3+ BS and tank commands - these things are worth 45pts. You can make Supreme Command Detachment with 3 Tanks Commander for example.

 Wisnias wrote:
Yea that's a better list. Solo Wolves are weak cometitive now, sadly...

But again, you have too expensive units. Change lascannon heavy weapon team into two separate mortars heavy weapon teams. Also keep your infantry squads cheaper. I like 40-45p squads.
Not enough dakka to kill hordes again in those rosters. Mortars and Leman Russ Punisher is the answer. Change one of your battlecannon LR into punisher LR. Second thought about Russes is that, they are much better when played as Tank Commanders in LR. 3+ BS and tank commands - these things are worth 45pts. You can make Supreme Command Detachment with 3 Tanks Commander for example.

Bro you are my Oprah.
Hordes don't scare me as much as tanks and monsters which normally end me.
I could change the heavy weapon team to heavy bolters for morr anti horde. Which of the 2 lists did you comment on the one with grey hunters or the other? I may make one of them a tank commander and see if I can get a punisher cannon. Do you think the grey hunters and kreigsmen will not be enough to deal with hordes? I'm not to sure about the scout or lone wolf I may replace them with storm bolter assault cannon terms.

Heavy Bolters are fine too, but Mortars are much cheaper and they do not need LoS. I comment general conception SW with Kriegs, but one with the Termies is better i guess.

GH isn't enough to deal with hordes. I'm sure of that!
Try to kill poxmill list withi 240 cultists and 60 poxwalkers with Typhus etc.

Punishers/Assault Razorbacks is what you need to deal with these!

 Wisnias wrote:
Heavy Bolters are fine too, but Mortars are much cheaper and they do not need LoS. I comment general conception SW with Kriegs, but one with the Termies is better i guess.

GH isn't enough to deal with hordes. I'm sure of that!
Try to kill poxmill list withi 240 cultists and 60 poxwalkers with Typhus etc.

Punishers/Assault Razorbacks is what you need to deal with these!

Thank you so much man I will try to work on it and post another one latter maybe a while since I just became a dad today but will post when free. Than you so much for your help. Poxwalker hordes would be harder even with dkok potential 60 attacks in melee.

 Wisnias wrote:
Heavy Bolters are fine too, but Mortars are much cheaper and they do not need LoS. I comment general conception SW with Kriegs, but one with the Termies is better i guess.

GH isn't enough to deal with hordes. I'm sure of that!
Try to kill poxmill list withi 240 cultists and 60 poxwalkers with Typhus etc.

Punishers/Assault Razorbacks is what you need to deal with these!

Maybe this is better?


++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Space Wolves) [67 PL, 1109pts] ++

+ HQ +

Arjac Rockfist [7 PL, 145pts]

Wolf Priest [5 PL, 82pts]: Plasma pistol

+ Elites +

Venerable Dreadnought [8 PL, 142pts]: Helfrost cannon
. Great Wolf Claw w/Storm Bolter: Storm bolter

Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour [15 PL, 217pts]
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Power axe, Storm shield
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Storm shield, Thunder hammer
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Storm shield, Thunder hammer
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Storm shield, Thunder hammer
. Wolf Guard Pack Leader in Terminator Armour: Wolf Claw (Pair)

Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour [15 PL, 215pts]
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Power fist, Storm bolter
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Power fist, Storm bolter
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Power fist, Storm bolter
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour with Heavy Weapon: Assault cannon, Power fist
. Wolf Guard Pack Leader in Terminator Armour: Frost sword, Storm bolter

+ Heavy Support +

Land Raider Crusader [17 PL, 308pts]: 2x Hurricane bolter, Twin assault cannon

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - FW Death Korps of Krieg) [23 PL, 341pts] ++

+ HQ +

Death Korps Field Officer [2 PL, 27pts]: Laspistol, Power sword, The Blade of Conquest

Death Korps Marshal Karis Venner [5 PL, 70pts]: Death Korps Orders, Grand Strategist, Hot-shot Laspistol, Memento Mori, Power sword, Warlord

+ Troops +

Death Korps Infantry Squad [4 PL, 61pts]
. 7x Death Korps Guardsman
. Death Korps Watch Master: Chainsword, Hot-Shot Lasgun
. DK Guardsman w/Special Weapon: Grenade Launcher
. DK Guardsman w/Vox-caster: Death Korps Vox-caster

Death Korps Infantry Squad [4 PL, 61pts]
. 7x Death Korps Guardsman
. Death Korps Watch Master: Chainsword, Hot-Shot Lasgun
. DK Guardsman w/Special Weapon: Grenade Launcher
. DK Guardsman w/Vox-caster: Death Korps Vox-caster

Death Korps Infantry Squad [4 PL, 61pts]
. 7x Death Korps Guardsman
. Death Korps Watch Master: Chainsword, Hot-Shot Lasgun
. DK Guardsman w/Special Weapon: Grenade Launcher
. DK Guardsman w/Vox-caster: Death Korps Vox-caster

Death Korps Infantry Squad [4 PL, 61pts]
. 7x Death Korps Guardsman
. Death Korps Watch Master: Chainsword, Hot-Shot Lasgun
. DK Guardsman w/Special Weapon: Grenade Launcher
. DK Guardsman w/Vox-caster: Death Korps Vox-caster

++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Imperium - FW Death Korps of Krieg) [39 PL, 550pts] ++

+ HQ +

Tank Commander [13 PL, 207pts]: Kurov's Aquila, Lascannon
. Command Punisher: Turret-mounted Punisher Gatling Cannon

+ Heavy Support +

Death Korps Heavy Weapons Squad [4 PL, 39pts]
. Death Korps Heavy Weapons Team: Heavy bolter
. Death Korps Heavy Weapons Team: Heavy bolter
. Death Korps Heavy Weapons Team: Heavy bolter

Death Korps Leman Russ Mars-Alpha Battle Tanks [11 PL, 152pts]
. Leman Russ Mars-Alpha Battle Tank: Battle Cannon, Heavy Bolter

Death Korps Leman Russ Mars-Alpha Battle Tanks [11 PL, 152pts]
. Leman Russ Mars-Alpha Battle Tank: Battle Cannon, Heavy Bolter

++ Total: [129 PL, 2000pts] ++

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I like wolves plus guard, but this is pretty distant from how I play them....

Erik the Red wrote:
I like wolves plus guard, but this is pretty distant from how I play them....

I like it as well how do/would you play them? I'm always interested in new ideas