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Whiteshield Conscript Trooper





Hello therrrrrre...

I now don't have much time to play full 40k matches and so whilst I wait for a long enough break I thought I'd instead sell all my older armies (except a few models) and instead slowly drip into a new army.. the best army.. Death Korps.
My problem is I don't know where to start.


What should I buy first? - I was thinking the command HQ squad as they look great!
What about after that?
Any painting tips?
Dare I ask.. proxies? Conversions?
Am I right in thinking that they can take anything IG? - How different are they from IG?

So yeah.. I'm not one to produce a lengthy post or anything like that.. just would like some help on DKOK
   
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Heroic Senior Officer





Western Kentucky

First thing is you need to ask yourself is if you want to use FW DKOK rules or just the standard guard codex. Either are fine, Kriegers are guardsmen after all. So worst case scenario if you live in some terrible place that doesn't allow FW, you can always run them as standard IG.

I do not play krieg, but I do play IG, and I can say that at the very least starting out with a few infantry squads and a command element is a solid place to start.


I would start small and paint as you buy. Otherwise it can be a bit overwhelming. Have you decided on if you want primarily infantry, tanks, or artillery yet? That will decide what you buy next.

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I don't play DKOK or IG, but I'm planning on eventually getting into them and have messed around with them alot on BattleScribe, looked over their lore and rules and such.

A big consideration is if you're going to run using the Index rules or just use them as a proxy for a Astra Militarum regiment.

As it is now, DKOK have absolutely no benefit for their tanks - outside of their ability to take the Mars pattern Russ tanks which are only slightly different from standard Russ tanks. For their other tanks, you're better off running them in a separate detachment. Otherwise they are just plain tanks with no perks at all.

The core of their index benefits are the DKOK perks for their infantry. No moral roll in shooting phase and a +1 WS. They've also got different orders, and regimental/platoon banners available in command squads.

Imo, most of their units are decent for one use or another and the models are all fantastic. If you're going to just buy 1-2 squads at a time - just buy what you think looks good. If you want to buy a full army all in one go, I'd get ahold of the Index rules for them first, plus the AM book before deciding what to buy. The FW models are quite pricey and AM already is a high model count expensive faction to run, so that's doubly true for FW DKOK. Several hundred dollars with of FW models might only net you 300-400 points on the tabletop. Not even enough for a small game.
   
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I have no doubt that FW will release a DKOK codex later down the line - no doubt at all.

As others have already said, at the moment, there is no real benefit to using their index unless you wanted to use their specific units as they are (death riders etc)

You'd be better off using them as a normal IG army and pick a Doctrine with all their new toys (and enjoy the daily flaming for being IG that comes with it)

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Painting tips.

If you like the DKoK FW scheme you could get Imperial Masterclass Vol 1. I have it and it covers your DKoK infantry, vehicles and flyers. Also a fairly awesome read.

If you want a free guide, go to Front Rank Fire, Second Rank Fire for a nice tutorial. Just Google it.

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Whiteshield Conscript Trooper





Hi thanks for the replies

A big consideration is if you're going to run using the Index rules or just use them as a proxy for a Astra Militarum regiment.
At the moment I'm unsure, considering what you said about no benefit for their tanks I could just have them as a proxy AM regiment.

I have no doubt that FW will release a DKOK codex later down the line - no doubt at all.
Looking forward to it

I think my plan will go as follows, DKOK command HQ squad, 2 infantry sets, maybe an artillery and from then on just straight up leman russ the rest.
For the colours I was thinking more of a greyish-blue and of course anything inspired from WW2 tanks etc.
   
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Combat Jumping Rasyat




East of England

Hi BPP, I'd recommend three squads of infantry, an HQ, and two basilisks as a great starter that'll let you run a batallion and nearly a spearhead. Go for Basilisks as our medusas are a bit naff in comparison.

Next up you'll really really want to get your hands on some deathriders - they're our stand-out unit in 8th edition. Model one to look a bit fancy, and he can either serve as seargent or deathrider-commander, alongside the 4-horse command squad, which grants flanking deepstrike. Great tie-up unit that hits hard enough to worry a lone tank.

Big downside to Krieg: no rerolls. Whatsoever. If that bothers you, you'll want to model a master of ordnance for your basilisks, and maybe even spring for Yarrick. For all this modellig, I recommend that you butcher your HQ squad to make a bannerman, and ordnance master, a deathrider commander and maybe a themed priest, as Krieg can stack to be pretty tasty in CC.


Two our most fun units are the hades drill and a unit of grenadiers riding in a cheap centaur carrier. They're something to get down the line, as they add a whole lot to a Krieg army.

Finally, you might want to look at getting a shadowsword or other superheavy, they fit the Krieg style nicely.

Best of luck and good choice

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Whiteshield Conscript Trooper





I recommend that you butcher your HQ squad to make a bannerman, and ordnance master, a deathrider commander and maybe a themed priest, as Krieg can stack to be pretty tasty in CC.

Sorry, by butcher do you mean not buy or do you mean use for pieces/convert/stand-in proxies?
And I'll work towards the HQ and 3 infantry squads, I think I'll put basilisks and tanks regular IG can take in an allied detachment.

And yes I will be getting a super heavy eventually
   
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Combat Jumping Rasyat




East of England

Yeah, I mean hack them up! The radio controller guy from the HQ set makes a good base for master of ordnance, but if you're going Cadian cheese for your basilisks, you don't need him. Personally, I'd rather pay the 30pt tax for him and keep my basilisks Krieg - and you get the free once-per-game airstrike attack too, which is pretty nasty.

D.R. Commander needs a torso swap ideally to make him stand out - I used the tank commissar model for mine, he looks pretty cool. It's a pretty easy job, just a bit of greenstuff to seal the join where you cut the rider's torso off and plonk the new one on.
   
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Whiteshield Conscript Trooper





Ok thanks for the idea. And yeah I will probably avoid the Cadian cheese
I'm going to have a play around in BattleScribe look at what I can use and whatnot - although rules will probably change before I can afford a decent DKOK army
   
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Whiteshield Conscript Trooper





And so it begins,
I just got my package from ForgeWorld, a DKOK command HQ squad that I will be making several character models from

How do you do your bases for your DKOK? Should I go with Astro granite or some kind of air clay bricks? What should I do to make the base best suit the 143rd Regiment best?
   
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Combat Jumping Rasyat




East of England

Gratz! It's your call but I use a really cool resin base from darkart - it's like 3.50 for 10 25mm bases of demolished terrain. I know it's an extra cost, but hey, if you're splurging on DKOK, why not pay an extra 3 quid per squad to make em look a little bit cooler?
https://www.darkartminiatures.com/Demolished/cat1768315_2021421.aspx
   
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For starters I'd go with the DKOK subterranean assault squad set and the command HQ set, since that'll give you a nice variety of things to paint so you don't get bored and you can get a feel for the army. I don't know how much you'd like to spend to start off with these guys, but I think that'll be about 116 pounds or 160 USD.
   
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Whiteshield Conscript Trooper





Hey so I'm about to prime my squad with "The Fang" primer,

I was wondering if anyone had any close up images of the models so I can see what details are painted what colour?
   
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Sweden

If you still are looking for details here are some pics of my dkok infantry =)







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OP - If you like the French WW1 colour scheme then check out Front Rank Fire! Second Rank Fire! Very good DKoK tutorial.

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