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Made in fi
Stinky Spore



Finland

Sorry if I used the wrong word there, I´m curious about what symbol could be used as a replacement for a swastika in in 40k?

Before you misjudge me for a neo-nazi, I´d like to explain. I´m building a Savlar Chem-Dogs army and I´m trying to stick to the fluff, an army of convicts, paint-huffers and the scum of the earth. At the moment I´ve painted couple of infantry squads, few bullgryns and a comissar but I´m still kinda looking for some extra approaches.

Being a Finn (we tend to have a strong interest in war) I came across few books about the French foreign legion and somehow ended up reading this strange blog post about a book called The Mostar Road Hitchhikers.

Strange, disturbing story about the war in Bosnia and the individuals involved in it. So I was thinking about involving this weird mercenary approach in my Savlar army. So what symbol should I use in those few, nitro-chem using psychopaths that have volunteered for my Savlar army?

Thanks for answers and let me say this clearly: No neo-nazi sympathies here, just asking what the symbol might be.



   
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on the forum. Obviously

That depends, are you looking in terms of a taboo symbol, or in terms of a proto-indoeuropean / asian symbol?

Because for the former an obvious choice would be any of the chaos or necron symbols.

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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain




Vigo. Spain.

Yeah, using a Necron symbol as "Yeah we are stealing this from a culture we don't really understand to give them a totally different meaning" could be actually a good in-universe swastika.

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Stinky Spore



Finland

I´m not quite sure what symbol I´m looking for, here´s the link to the blog I was reading:

https://johnnyantora.com/2013/11/07/marco-casagrande-the-mostar-road-hitchhiker/

Apparently the previous one was my first post so I wasn´t able to post a link. Necron and Chaos symbols were in my mind but dunno. Something´s missing. If you have time read the link, maybe you get what I´m looking for. The extreme anti.social mark or something.
   
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Something to remind folks of the heresy, like a chaos eye perhaps?


 
   
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West Michigan, deep in Whitebread, USA

Heh, just like the real Swastika, take a symbol that means "luck", have a bunch of morons misuse it, and there you go.

Fun fact, in the early days of the 20th century, tons of American paraphernalia had the swastika plastered all over them because it meant luck and good fortune, like sweaters, sports jerseys, all sorts of things.



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Stinky Spore



Finland

Something like that, a long-banned simple symbol. That Mostar road-sht got me aware that maybe all Savlars ain´t choirboys after all. Though the project name is The Choir Boys.

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The models themselves are looking great!


 
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut






If you are Finnish, you got your own countries use of the symbol to draw on, which doesn't share the Nazi meaning. Just use Finnish colours on the symbol.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_use_of_the_swastika_in_the_early_20th_century#Finland

PS: In the 40K setting, the Nazi Swastika equivalent would be the imperial eagle - it is the symbol of a facist, totalitarian, genocidial, racist, oppresive dictatorship in the setting.

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 Stephanius wrote:
If you are Finnish, you got your own countries use of the symbol to draw on, which doesn't share the Nazi meaning. Just use Finnish colours on the symbol.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_use_of_the_swastika_in_the_early_20th_century#Finland


As a history buff, this is fascinating to see.


 
   
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Stinky Spore



Finland

Cheers Stephanius, but I´m more interested in what the general equivalent for swastika is in 40k universe. Surely there must be one, the symbol that is always agressive and anti-social. But the chaos symbol seems too obvious to me since my poor guardsmen would most likely be executed wearing that.
   
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Alternatively, you could do something mocking the high lords or hierarchy of terra, just not the emperor. Like the troops are discontent with society but not outright blaspheming against a god.


 
   
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Norn Queen






The standard imperial Aquila.

I don't get why people don't realize that the imperium is an oppressive fascist hell hole. Every symbol of the imperium is basically the swastika and the imperium itself is grinding forward on nazism looking for purity, hating the xenos and the abhuman and dragging people away to concentration camps to be killed or turned into weapons if they show any signs of abnormality.


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 Lance845 wrote:
The standard imperial Aquila.

I don't get why people don't realize that the imperium is an oppressive fascist hell hole. Every symbol of the imperium is basically the swastika and the imperium itself is grinding forward on nazism looking for purity, hating the xenos and the abhuman and dragging people away to concentration camps to be killed or turned into weapons if they show any signs of abnormality.


THIS.

If you can take something like the Aquila and satirize or defame it, then that’s a perfect statement from disgruntled, marginalized peoples pressed into service.


 
   
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Stinky Spore



Finland

Ok I rest my case. I´ll make it Necron, Chaos or Aquila then. Or maube mix them. I was wondering what would be the ultimate "can´t-do" mark of the 41st but apparently it makes no difference. Would´ve liked to know what was the mark of evil if Imperium was the soviets wearing the red star. Or if the Imperium was wearing swastika & the maltese cross. But anyways, thanks for answers. I´ll post more pics later on the gallery
   
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West Michigan, deep in Whitebread, USA

You could always misuse the Aquila in some way, with another symbol in place of the Eagle heads, maybe?



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Or a headless imperial Aquila.


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 Aetare wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
The standard imperial Aquila.

I don't get why people don't realize that the imperium is an oppressive fascist hell hole. Every symbol of the imperium is basically the swastika and the imperium itself is grinding forward on nazism looking for purity, hating the xenos and the abhuman and dragging people away to concentration camps to be killed or turned into weapons if they show any signs of abnormality.


THIS.

If you can take something like the Aquila and satirize or defame it, then that’s a perfect statement from disgruntled, marginalized peoples pressed into service.


the problem is the IoM does not have free speach where as we might not be able to do much if a guy gets a swaztika tatoo we can;t do much, in the IoM if you get a chaos tatoo. THEY KILL YOU

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BrianDavion wrote:
 Aetare wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
The standard imperial Aquila.

I don't get why people don't realize that the imperium is an oppressive fascist hell hole. Every symbol of the imperium is basically the swastika and the imperium itself is grinding forward on nazism looking for purity, hating the xenos and the abhuman and dragging people away to concentration camps to be killed or turned into weapons if they show any signs of abnormality.


THIS.

If you can take something like the Aquila and satirize or defame it, then that’s a perfect statement from disgruntled, marginalized peoples pressed into service.


the problem is the IoM does not have free speach where as we might not be able to do much if a guy gets a swaztika tatoo we can;t do much, in the IoM if you get a chaos tatoo. THEY KILL YOU


I think the distinction here is that these men are basically already condemned to die having been drafted from convicted criminals and likely stuck under an unforgiving commissar. If they make a subtle jab at the Aquila on the eve of battle, will it truly make a difference?


 
   
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 Lance845 wrote:
Or a headless imperial Aquila.


So far, I like this idea the best.

Also, flipping a symbol (flag or the cross) upside down is a common sign of desecration.

Perhaps the Imperial Eagle flipped upside down like a dead animal hanging.
   
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Norn Queen






Well I was thinking the Aquila would be on the guns/helmet I think. Easy enough to take a hobby knife and just chip off the double eagle heads. A small subtle gesture people would need to look at your models to see.

Also you can use your knife to trim out a line separating the wings from the body. As a sign of clipping the Aquila's wings.

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Dallas, TX

well. first you must decide if your army is loyal to the emperor or not, eagles all over if so, aquilas scratched out or replaced if not. It doesn't mean you're chaos, just that you're renegade in the eyes of the imperium.

Those loyal to the emperor, fights to the death for the emperor even if they are condemned to death, to them its redemption of some sort.
   
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 Big Mac wrote:
well. first you must decide if your army is loyal to the emperor or not, eagles all over if so, aquilas scratched out or replaced if not. It doesn't mean you're chaos, just that you're renegade in the eyes of the imperium.

Those loyal to the emperor, fights to the death for the emperor even if they are condemned to death, to them its redemption of some sort.


This also opens up an important can of worms because the imperium as most know it is so far removed from the emperor, that most wrongdoing is likely the result of cruel policies put in place by the council and high lords. In addition, now you have so many new loyalties and factions politically with the galaxy scattered and split and Guilliman taking command.


 
   
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The Luna Wolves emblem is what you are looking for. It would likely carry the same cultural significance 10k years into the future, and maybe even be officially suppressed.

   
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I mean honestly you could just use whatever generic markings you want. most of these folks come from all sorts of places and all of them probably had some flavor of nazis.

Personally id avoid using real world stuff for the sake of not looking like an edgelord.

Id say make it a snake. snakes are underused.

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 Scott-S6 wrote:
And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.

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 techsoldaten wrote:
The Luna Wolves emblem is what you are looking for. It would likely carry the same cultural significance 10k years into the future, and maybe even be officially suppressed.


This could be a really good option. It carries enough historical shame and remotest with it.


 
   
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Norn Queen






I would say the luna wolves would have its symbol expunged from all records for a very long time. How anyone but rowboat would know the symbol at this point is beyond me.


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Bergen

Considering how little the averadge citisent know, would not the sigil of an old destroyed genstealercult, well, cult actualy function? It woudl not be a problem until you actualy mett someone far enough up the food chain that recognised the symbol. (I have to ask, are they genetically indoctrinated to have the worm symbol? Is this something all patriarch know? What is up with that?)

Genestealer cults tend to be close to the ground. If the patriarch gets killed, some senario where the cult turns into a local myth is not unrealistic,

Then later on some Savlar Chem-Dogs likes the myth the symbol is conected to, and then they repurpose the symbol. It would be a great example of rembranding symbols. In particular it would be cool the day some ordo xenos gets a whiff of it, even though no patriarch is to be found.

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Ute nation

If you want to misuse a symbol for the lulz you could use the peace symbol

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on the forum. Obviously

That sounds great, actually. No one would know what it is, but they know it doesn't belong

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