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Can he defeat the strongest human psykers (except the Emperor and Magnus)? Mephison? Njal Stormcaller? Varro Tigurius? Ezekiel? Or even Malcador?

Yes.

What does the plot need him to do or not be able to do - thats what he can and can't do - same with everyone else in 40k.

 Crimson wrote:
Yes.

Indeed, yes.

darkoms wrote:
Can he defeat the strongest human psykers (except the Emperor and Magnus)? Mephison? Njal Stormcaller? Varro Tigurius? Ezekiel? Or even Malcador?

I'm confident he'd lose to Ahriman.

I mean what do you mean by "defeat"?

I feel like Eldrad is one of the few characters who actually is a little bit realistic in all of 40k in that, rather than dirty his own no doubt beautfully soft and supple hands, he instead lets two enemies kill each other.

Eldrad wouldn't need to defeat you himself, he would send a group of Orks or Space Marines or Nids to do it for him.

He would likely lose in an arm wrestle against a normal guardsman, let alone a jacked up super human. In terms of a psychic duel, his powers are supposed to be incredibly strong but there's no doubt he has a focus on foresight. So again he'd probably avoid the fight all together or set up some dubious set of circumstances to "win" without needing to actually duel.

Semper wrote:

darkoms wrote:
Can he defeat the strongest human psykers (except the Emperor and Magnus)? Mephison? Njal Stormcaller? Varro Tigurius? Ezekiel? Or even Malcador?

I'm confident he'd lose to Ahriman.

Macaldor could hide a planet so maybe different, power types.
Eldred is a expert in foresight and prediction sure. But is he as strong in say more direct attacks?

Macaldor seems have powerful abilities to manipulate space to hide a planet, and his age, powerful maybe biomancy or rejuvenation?

Psykers are often specialists in a certain discipline.

Semper wrote:

darkoms wrote:
Can he defeat the strongest human psykers (except the Emperor and Magnus)? Mephison? Njal Stormcaller? Varro Tigurius? Ezekiel? Or even Malcador?

I'm confident he'd lose to Ahriman.

They had a little skirmish in a recent book, they directed each other's psychic rays, but no one won. However, Eldrad was tired after a long trip. Perhaps, he had fresh powers, he could have won.


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 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I mean what do you mean by "defeat"?

I feel like Eldrad is one of the few characters who actually is a little bit realistic in all of 40k in that, rather than dirty his own no doubt beautfully soft and supple hands, he instead lets two enemies kill each other.

Eldrad wouldn't need to defeat you himself, he would send a group of Orks or Space Marines or Nids to do it for him.

He would likely lose in an arm wrestle against a normal guardsman, let alone a jacked up super human. In terms of a psychic duel, his powers are supposed to be incredibly strong but there's no doubt he has a focus on foresight. So again he'd probably avoid the fight all together or set up some dubious set of circumstances to "win" without needing to actually duel.

Eldrad will lose the Guardsman? True? The same Eldrad who, thanks to the opportunity to see the future, beat Abaddon and evaded almost all of his attacks?
Of course, Eldrad can use foresight abilities to win and not participate in a duel, but I was asking about a direct psyhic encounter


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darkoms wrote:

Semper wrote:

darkoms wrote:
Can he defeat the strongest human psykers (except the Emperor and Magnus)? Mephison? Njal Stormcaller? Varro Tigurius? Ezekiel? Or even Malcador?

I'm confident he'd lose to Ahriman.

They had a little skirmish in a recent book, they directed each other's psychic rays, but no one won. However, Eldrad was tired after a long trip. Perhaps, he had fresh powers, he could have won.


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 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I mean what do you mean by "defeat"?

I feel like Eldrad is one of the few characters who actually is a little bit realistic in all of 40k in that, rather than dirty his own no doubt beautfully soft and supple hands, he instead lets two enemies kill each other.

Eldrad wouldn't need to defeat you himself, he would send a group of Orks or Space Marines or Nids to do it for him.

He would likely lose in an arm wrestle against a normal guardsman, let alone a jacked up super human. In terms of a psychic duel, his powers are supposed to be incredibly strong but there's no doubt he has a focus on foresight. So again he'd probably avoid the fight all together or set up some dubious set of circumstances to "win" without needing to actually duel.

Eldrad will lose the Guardsman? True? The same Eldrad who, thanks to the opportunity to see the future, beat Abaddon and evaded almost all of his attacks?
Of course, Eldrad can use foresight abilities to win and not participate in a duel, but I was asking about a direct psyсhic encounter

Eldrad is pretty darned powerful, he's definitely one of the top psykers in the galaxy. The thing to remember is that any particular character can appear to be top dog in any given story, it all comes down to what the writers do with them.

Take Ahriman for example. In the Fracture of Biel-Tan, he kills a plot-important Farseer, turns some Harlequins into dust and then hurls all three members of the Ynnari Triumvirate out of the Webway and into the path of Tzeentch, all in quick succession and it's described almost as if he does all of that effortlessly. Mind you, the Yncarne and Yvraine are both powerful pskyers themselves too. Eldrad was opposite the Thousand Sons Sorcerers and was the main thing keeping the Eldar forces from getting annihilated by them. Reading that, you'd think Ahriman is on a whole other level of strong.

On the flip side, you then get stories where Ahriman barely manages to best another psyker in a duel, and said psyker might not come close to the level you'd typically associate with Ahriman. It's the same thing with Eldrad or any other character Games Workshop writes. Who wins or loses is ultimately down to the writer.

In old Earth when he had his powers blocked he was struggling to beat a perpetual, basically losing out to its superior experience and skill, having Narek kill it instead.

He is "just" and Eldar without his powers, if someone is more powerful, he is boned.

darkoms wrote:
Can he defeat the strongest human psykers (except the Emperor and Magnus)? Mephison? Njal Stormcaller? Varro Tigurius? Ezekiel? Or even Malcador?

'Power' when it comes to Eldar psykers is a little harder to define than human ones. When someone mentions a more 'powerful' psyker, they tend to think 'how colossal of an explosion can they conjure out of thin air', which works pretty well for your average human psyker. Ask a powerful eldar psyker to fry someone's mind from the inside out and they'll probably do it, but what an eldar would consider 'powerful' would more likely be to forsee distant future possibilities with pinpoint clarity, and forge an unbreakable chain of events in the present to reach that point.

Ask a powerful human psyker to blow another psyker's brain out and they'll blow their brain out in a spectacular display of gore and warp-fire.

Ask a powerful eldar psyker to blow another psyker's brain out and they'll orchestrate a series of events that sees their target's head caved in by a no-name Ork Boy a day before their powers manifest.

Okay, if Eldrad is more prediction oriented, what about a more fighting psyker? Can Ahriman defeat Mephiston?

Eldrad is powerful as far as foresight, travel and support.

He ran from Fulgrim after Fulgrim killed a WratihLord, psychotically smashed the face plate/head and ripped the soulstone out. Eldrad then summoned an Avatar of Khaine and Fulgrim killed that, Eldrad ran after that.

Some will argue Fulgrim was possessed and strengthened by a daemon at that time, some theories are contradiction.

Magnus and Sanguinius are known from kicking the smack out of Deamon princes. Lorgar beat fateweaver, and right after beat the big Named super bloodthirster.

And the Emperor is more powerful than all of them.

Primarch+DP beats Avatar, Primarch beats DP or greater daemons, Emperor is more powerful than all Primarchs.

I would put Eldrad on powerlevel of Chapter masters and master psykers, like Scarsanson, Ahriman and the white scar libby that spoke in defense of Magnus at council of Nikea.


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darkoms wrote:
Okay, if Eldrad is more prediction oriented, what about a more fighting psyker? Can Ahriman defeat Mephiston?

I think its been established how gifted Ahriman is, but multiple fights have him stepping into the psych realm, forcing enemy psykers to fight him there, and he obliterates them sending their essence and souls to be devoured by Warp beast for all time.

Ahriman, is just below Primarch level, as far as powerful.

Caederes wrote:
Eldrad is pretty darned powerful, he's definitely one of the top psykers in the galaxy. The thing to remember is that any particular character can appear to be top dog in any given story, it all comes down to what the writers do with them.

Take Ahriman for example. In the Fracture of Biel-Tan, he kills a plot-important Farseer, turns some Harlequins into dust and then hurls all three members of the Ynnari Triumvirate out of the Webway and into the path of Tzeentch, all in quick succession and it's described almost as if he does all of that effortlessly. Mind you, the Yncarne and Yvraine are both powerful pskyers themselves too. Eldrad was opposite the Thousand Sons Sorcerers and was the main thing keeping the Eldar forces from getting annihilated by them. Reading that, you'd think Ahriman is on a whole other level of strong.

On the flip side, you then get stories where Ahriman barely manages to best another psyker in a duel, and said psyker might not come close to the level you'd typically associate with Ahriman. It's the same thing with Eldrad or any other character Games Workshop writes. Who wins or loses is ultimately down to the writer.

Part of Tzeentch's plan all along, hella strong one minute, weak as wet newspaper the next.

I would agree that whomever needs to be stronger or get their asses kicked is really dependant on plot requirements.

He got consumed by the Avatar of Slaanesh, so he can't be THAT powerful. Wait, no, they retconned that.

Damn it GW.

Old earth was 10,000 years ago and he was still younger... So he is def more powerful in the 40k.

bibotot wrote:
He got consumed by the Avatar of Slaanesh, so he can't be THAT powerful. Wait, no, they retconned that.

Damn it GW.

Didn't happen anyway. It was a regular ole keeper of secrets, also they were just both trapped in the Blackstone. Neither consumed the other.

Also, Eldrad left pieces of himself before entering said Blackstone.