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2018/03/13 04:18:38
Subject: Death Company Terminator Captain using Stratagem. Legal???
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Fresh-Faced New User
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So I had a thought tonight, building a Blood Angel list. There is a Stratagem "Death Visions of Sanguinias" It reads as follows:
Use this Stratagem when mustering your army. Select a Blood Angels Captain , Chaplain, or Lieutenant from your army (other than Primaris models and named characters such as Commander Dante). That model gains the Death Company keyword and the Black Rage ability for the duration of the battle.
Well I was looking through the different types of Captains. There are Captains, Captains in Gravis (primaris), Captain in Cataphratii and Captain in Terminator armor. My question is simply asking about the legality of the stratagem. Are the bold bits talking about a MODEL or a KEYWORD. If it is referring to a keyword then CAPTAINS, LIEUTENANTS, & CHAPLAINS excluding Primaris is how I would read and understand that. But if it's talking about the model then that's a different story. I don't know how to interpret it.
The Idea behind it was this.
Captain in Terminator Armor with a Hammer and Storm Shield. Can be listed as Warlord and carry Hammer of Baal (basically negates the -1 to hit). Then as a warlord he can carry a trait obviously, and why not take the gift of foresight. It's a 6+ feel no pain re-rolling 1's HOWEVER with the DEATH COMPANY KEYWORD (which he WOULD gain with the Death Visions Stratagem) That changes to a 5+, still rerolling one's Effectively making his saves a 2+ natural, 3+ invuln, and a 5+ FNP with rerolls of 1's.
He would be a pretty nasty dude, but I question how legal this is, seeing as there are no such things elsewhere referring to Death Company Terminators. (or they're rare at least), yet they do give them Dreads??? so.... I don't see why it wouldn't be an impossibility...
Seeing as it goes on to mention, no primaris or no named characters, it almost sounds like you COULD with the rest of the categories and that the bolded sections are keywords. But on that note, there is also no such keyword as Blood Angel Captain either.
Any thought's would be lovely to hear.
Edit***
Also in addition to all that, in the Codex, simply looking at how Captains are displayed leads me to believe it's legal.
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2018/03/13 04:58:30
Subject: Death Company Terminator Captain using Stratagem. Legal???
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Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran
Ankh Morpork
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The stratagem is referring to models with the relevant keywords, rather than named models. This would include Primaris equivalents, as they also have the relevant keywords.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/03/13 04:59:38
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2018/03/13 08:15:15
Subject: Death Company Terminator Captain using Stratagem. Legal???
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Pestilent Plague Marine with Blight Grenade
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Bold text refers to keywords. Any model with the relevant keyword is an eligible target.
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2018/03/13 13:21:05
Subject: Death Company Terminator Captain using Stratagem. Legal???
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Lieutenant General
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Mr. Shine wrote:The stratagem is referring to models with the relevant keywords, rather than named models. This would include Primaris equivalents, as they also have the relevant keywords.
From the stratagem in question:
Use this Stratagem when mustering your army. Select a BLOOD ANGELS CAPTAIN, CHAPLAIN or LIEUTENANT from your army (other than PRIMARIS models, and named characters such as Commander Dante).
The wording of the stratagem specifically disallows its use by models with the PRIMARIS keyword, even if they'd otherwise be eligible.
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2018/03/13 13:46:44
Subject: Death Company Terminator Captain using Stratagem. Legal???
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Norn Queen
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If the keywords match then it's legal. If it was using model names then it would not be.
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2018/03/13 15:31:50
Subject: Re:Death Company Terminator Captain using Stratagem. Legal???
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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Its perfectly legal to make a captain in terminator/cataphractii armor your warlord with TH, gift of foresight and death visions of sanguinius. He would have 2+, 3++ (cataphractii armor), 5+++ rerolling 1s. But only 5" or 4" movement.
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2018/03/13 17:36:20
Subject: Re:Death Company Terminator Captain using Stratagem. Legal???
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Prescient Cryptek of Eternity
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p5freak wrote:Its perfectly legal to make a captain in terminator/cataphractii armor your warlord with TH, gift of foresight and death visions of sanguinius. He would have 2+, 3++ (cataphractii armor), 5+++ rerolling 1s. But only 5" or 4" movement.
Yup. He'd be so slow that most units could simply keep away from him.
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2018/03/13 20:08:20
Subject: Death Company Terminator Captain using Stratagem. Legal???
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Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran
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Ghaz wrote:From the stratagem in question:
Use this Stratagem when mustering your army. Select a BLOOD ANGELS CAPTAIN, CHAPLAIN or LIEUTENANT from your army (other than PRIMARIS models, and named characters such as Commander Dante).
The wording of the stratagem specifically disallows its use by models with the PRIMARIS keyword, even if they'd otherwise be eligible.
Fair point - missed that part!
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2018/03/15 19:09:12
Subject: Death Company Terminator Captain using Stratagem. Legal???
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Death-Dealing Devastator
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When I got the BA Codex that is exactly the type of Capt I wanted to make, as I usually include Termie Captains in my lists, although I like to stick the Shield Eternal on them when I can to make them even hardier. And keep an Apothecary near them.
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2018/03/17 19:40:05
Subject: Re:Death Company Terminator Captain using Stratagem. Legal???
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Can a Blood Angels Captain take the Shield Eternal?
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2018/03/17 20:48:45
Subject: Re:Death Company Terminator Captain using Stratagem. Legal???
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Norn Queen
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Samii wrote:Can a Blood Angels Captain take the Shield Eternal?
No. A "Space Marines Unit" is defined on page 194 of the SM codex, and that does not include BLOOD ANGELS. You can only give SM relics to a "Space Marines CHARACTER".
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