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According to you, what is the best part of the new fluff ? What do you enjoy the most (background wise) since Gathering Storm launched ?
I have quite oftenly argue that the new fluff has ruined thek setting, but everyting isn't all black or white, and even me can enjoy some parts of the new fluff.
For example, I like that Tau are more widespread than before but not stronger.
I like that Chaos has more territories, too

What about you ?

   
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I like that Abaddon finally won the 13th Black crusade, destroyed cadia and together with Magnus ripped the galaxy in half.
Admittedly, I didn't like that it appeared to be a near pyrrhic victory for Abaddon.Befoe gathering Storm they retconned the other Black crusades so that most of them would play a part in the 13th, but then they seemingly didn't.

I also like that DG is mentioned to be larger in 40K than it was during the heresy. Good time to be a Nurgle player .
   
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I like it over all, some people act like the IoM isn't under threat noble bright etc, but reading between the lines? the threat level on all sides has increased, as Chaos as breached the galaxy, spilling worse things out etc, deamon primarchs etc, the other factions have been, in the face of this forced to step up their game

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The new Tau fluff seems to have potential and I like that they have the means to get across the universe faster so they aren't stuck in their little corner empire. Not sure I want to see a chaos Tau faction (just think it would be bland and lazy) but I like that warp travel takes its toll on them.

I really want to see some Ork fluff with not only Ghazz and crew but also hear about the other Ork happenings in the universe. Hopefully they will have some stories about some new Ork characters with their own unique narratives.

The whole "dark imperium" or whatever its called on the other side of the divide has a lot of potential and it would be great if we see some new political factions form given the great upheaval going on. The whole focus on rowboat given the massive turmoil going on across the entire IoM feels like a missed opportunity for some rich world building and interesting narratives.

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 Vankraken wrote:
The new Tau fluff seems to have potential and I like that they have the means to get across the universe faster so they aren't stuck in their little corner empire. Not sure I want to see a chaos Tau faction (just think it would be bland and lazy) but I like that warp travel takes its toll on them.

I really want to see some Ork fluff with not only Ghazz and crew but also hear about the other Ork happenings in the universe. Hopefully they will have some stories about some new Ork characters with their own unique narratives.

The whole "dark imperium" or whatever its called on the other side of the divide has a lot of potential and it would be great if we see some new political factions form given the great upheaval going on. The whole focus on rowboat given the massive turmoil going on across the entire IoM feels like a missed opportunity for some rich world building and interesting narratives.


what IS the new tau fluff BTW?

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I like the development overall. I would say it isn't great but I respect that they have to still run a wargame off it and have the fluff work within that context. They also need that fluff to be reasonably marketable, have depth for lore junkies, but also be understandable on a si.ple level for newcomers or people who don't want to dive in deep. It's difficult to handle even a couple of those factors at once, let alone all of them, and make the fluff good on top of it. It's also easy for us to crticise individual aspects from our position of not having to manage ALL of it. Quite frankly, if writing a good setting was easy we would see it happen all the time.

Buuut there's still parts better than others and parts that I... Would rather overlook. To answer the original question, IMO any parts of fluff that don't involve Guilliman or Cawl are more or less good. I like how the bad guys actually got a major win in the setting where they are supposed to be winning, and how they added the deal with the pylons to make the Black Crusades make sense. They have artfully made it so any faction can reasonably show up anywhere as well, which is great from the wargame narrative angle.

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I echo the sentiment about chaos being successful and destroying Cadia, and the whole Cicatrix Maledictum thing. A bit disappointed that the CSM codex didn’t capitalize on this and develop it more. Seemingly, there’s more about Guilliman rescuing everyone and chaos losing all over the place, but perhaps that’s just my own salty bias and a focus on the current poster boy of the setting.
   
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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I like the development overall. I would say it isn't great but I respect that they have to still run a wargame off it and have the fluff work within that context. They also need that fluff to be reasonably marketable, have depth for lore junkies, but also be understandable on a si.ple level for newcomers or people who don't want to dive in deep. It's difficult to handle even a couple of those factors at once, let alone all of them, and make the fluff good on top of it. It's also easy for us to crticise individual aspects from our position of not having to manage ALL of it. Quite frankly, if writing a good setting was easy we would see it happen all the time.

Buuut there's still parts better than others and parts that I... Would rather overlook. To answer the original question, IMO any parts of fluff that don't involve Guilliman or Cawl is more or less good. I like how the bad guys actually got a major win in the setting where they are supposed to be winning, and how they added the deal with the pylons to make the Black Crusades make sense. They have artfully made it so any faction can reasonably show up anywhere as well, which is great from the wargame narrative angle.


I think by and alrge Gulliman has mostly been handled well. he's used as sort of a unified war leader for the IoM when nesscary. giving the IoM as a whole a "face" I agree Cawl has been kinda poorly handled, he's almost a "Cartoon super genius" in that he's responsable for coming up with all these new things from a varied amount of schools. I've concluded he's likely simply the leader of a fairly quiet near heretical sect of the admech that embraces study etc, and sees the heresy era emperor as someone to emulate.

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I've heard a theory that he's Arkhan Land, which would make things a bit more forgivable.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I've heard a theory that he's Arkhan Land, which would make things a bit more forgivable.


not sure if it would, Land was notable primarily as a archologist, delving into ruins and finding old archaneo tech. Cawl however IS apparently one of the emperor's personal disiples. so I think makes sense in that context if Cowl was perhaps the emperor's most gifted student among his admech adepts.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I've heard a theory that he's Arkhan Land, which would make things a bit more forgivable.


I'm sure I've seen people mention that there is a scene in a recent BL book that has Land and Cawl in the same room/scene, to explicitly rule that out as an option.

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This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

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I really like the Ynnead stuff, and the effect it's having on the Eldar and their various societies.
   
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 Robin5t wrote:
I really like the Ynnead stuff, and the effect it's having on the Eldar and their various societies.


Me too. I could do without the extra vowels everywhere, but a proper justification for Eldar soup is very satisfying indeed.

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Good point, the Ynnead stuff is pretty good indeed
And the tyranids building an unknown continent-sized thing is interesting too

   
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I like that the dark imperium side of the Galaxy has blurred the edges of what is acceptable and what's not in the imperium. Isolated for so long many loyal followers will have had to compromise their ideals. It opens up the possibilities story wise no end.
   
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I like the Tau getting some plot development and Tyranids interacting with the Warp. While the primaris have potential, not much of quality has actually been done with them yet.

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Honestly there's not a specific gripe or bugbear I can think of that I have with the new fluff, really. For the most part I think it's been handled really well. I'm grateful for this because the way Fantasy went with the End Times leading into AOS had me nervous.

I think the "best" part so far for me though is the stuff concerning Guilliman. It's interesting and entertaining reading about him trying to come to grips with what the Imperium has become and slowly (and painfully) try to correct course. I really feel for the guy, too. So much of what he's worked for has come to naught and he'll probably never truly be able to "fix" it all.

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I haven't been following the latest fluff but glad Ol'Armless figured out smashing a leviathan like a Blackstone into a planet would do the trick.

What I want to know is what the heck is Huron up to with his.

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 Kawauso wrote:
Honestly there's not a specific gripe or bugbear I can think of that I have with the new fluff, really. For the most part I think it's been handled really well. I'm grateful for this because the way Fantasy went with the End Times leading into AOS had me nervous.

I think the "best" part so far for me though is the stuff concerning Guilliman. It's interesting and entertaining reading about him trying to come to grips with what the Imperium has become and slowly (and painfully) try to correct course. I really feel for the guy, too. So much of what he's worked for has come to naught and he'll probably never truly be able to "fix" it all.


Lots of potential for trouble when more primarchs wake up too with that thread. Bit of internal conflict.
   
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Andykp wrote:

Lots of potential for trouble when more primarchs wake up too with that thread. Bit of internal conflict.


Oh definitely. And we're already seeing the seeds being sown for potential infighting in the future - not everyone is happy about the Primaris marines, for example (i.e. Gabriel Seth) even if they've accepted them. And plenty of Imperial governors, regents, etc. sure aren't happy with Guilliman poking his nose in to see what they're up to. They've grown complacent from being able to operate more or less unsupervised for so long and now the living, breathing embodiment of the Emperor's authority is actually doing the rounds and giving everyone performance reviews and it turns out most of them aren't up to snuff - regardless of the fact that it's true, the people in charge who are being held to task are none too happy about it. And that's to say nothing of Guilliman deciding to reunite the 500 Worlds (which is, again, proving to be a contentious decision).

Loads of interesting stories for them to develop going forward, I think.

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