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2018/03/18 19:22:28
Subject: Chaos Marine Legion Trait Shenanigans
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Been Around the Block
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How does every one feel about manipulating chaos marine traits without regard to established fluff? I was going to change over my boring and uncompetitive unaligned renegade warband to a sleek sexy Slannesh renegade warband on account of all the noise marine bits I have laying around. I have not played a game of 8th and assumed that marked elites could be used as troops if the commander was properly aligned, but no! Only proper Emperor’s Children marines can, not Slanneshi renegade chaos marines. So now I’m stuck right where I was with three units of cultists as my mandatory troop selections except with lots of noise marine bits and a new box of daemonettes. I figured I’ll just “count as” the army as EC and call it a day...how does everyone feel about counts as legion traits? I realize this has been going on in one form or another for a couple of editions...mostly with the Alpha Legion. I’m not in the 40k scene where I live, is this a thing I’m yall’s meta? I guess this goes for loyalist marines as well to a degree, but with the concept of successor chapters it’s not as cheesy. Thanks in advance for any input!
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2018/03/18 20:04:18
Subject: Chaos Marine Legion Trait Shenanigans
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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As long as it's clear, it's alright. If your dudes look slaaneshy then, yeah, whatever, use the Emperor's Children rules.
If you present a decent-looking army most people don't have room to complain. Who cares if your EC list is represented by models that don't look like the GW or FW studio models? If they're obviously dedicated to Slaanesh it's all fine.
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2018/03/19 00:46:23
Subject: Chaos Marine Legion Trait Shenanigans
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[DCM]
Sentient OverBear
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There's a long history of "Grey Marines" that use whichever codex rules are good at the time. They're called "counts-as" armies, and it really doesn't matter as long as the army is WYSIWYG with regards to equipment and model type.
I've been seeing this for the past twenty years.
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DQ:70S++G+++M+B++I+Pw40k94+ID+++A++/sWD178R+++T(I)DM+++
Trust me, no matter what damage they have the potential to do, single-shot weapons always flatter to deceive in 40k. Rule #1 - BBAP
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2018/03/19 02:10:17
Subject: Chaos Marine Legion Trait Shenanigans
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
A garden grove on Citadel Station
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Currently a massive coincidence is occurring and everyone's blue, green, white, red, black, and grey chaos marines are specifically
alpha legion
mark of slaanesh
Reasons? Rules Power? Probably just everyone really loves the deep lore supporting Slaanesh Alpha Legion armies.
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ph34r's Forgeworld Phobos blog, current WIP: Iron Warriors and Skaven Tau
+From Iron Cometh Strength+ +From Strength Cometh Will+ +From Will Cometh Faith+ +From Faith Cometh Honor+ +From Honor Cometh Iron+
The Polito form is dead, insect. Are you afraid? What is it you fear? The end of your trivial existence?
When the history of my glory is written, your species shall only be a footnote to my magnificence. |
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2018/03/19 03:35:13
Subject: Chaos Marine Legion Trait Shenanigans
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Pestilent Plague Marine with Blight Grenade
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ph34r wrote:Currently a massive coincidence is occurring and everyone's blue, green, white, red, black, and grey chaos marines are specifically
alpha legion
mark of slaanesh
Reasons? Rules Power? Probably just everyone really loves the deep lore supporting Slaanesh Alpha Legion armies.
Like in 4th Ed - Every DP suddenly became a patron of Slaneesh and picked up their Lash's for movement shenanigans because it was that good lol
Lash + Vindicators = profit.
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"Courage and Honour. I hear you murmur these words in the mist, in their wake I hear your hearts beat harder with false conviction seeking to convince yourselves that a brave death has meaning.
There is no courage to be found here my nephews, no honour to be had. Your souls will join the trillion others in the mist shrieking uselessly to eternity, weeping for the empire you could not save.
To the unfaithful, I bring holy plagues ripe with enlightenment. To the devout, I bring the blessing of immortality through the kiss of sacred rot.
And to you, new-born sons of Gulliman, to you flesh crafted puppets of a failing Imperium I bring the holiest gift of all.... Silence."
- Mortarion, The Death Lord, The Reaper of Men, Daemon Primarch of Nurgle
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2018/03/19 04:00:13
Subject: Chaos Marine Legion Trait Shenanigans
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Oozing Plague Marine Terminator
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With all the Count-as armies in Astra Militarum, Craftworld Eldar, Tyranids, Mechanicum, Tau, and soon to be Necrons, I myself stopped caring about a models paint and aesthetic.
My bat ear, bat wing shoulder pad Night Lord models are using Alpha Legion traits because I miss out on Stealth and Nightfighting with their 8th edition legion rules, and AL fits my theme better. (Honest!)
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2018/03/21 10:25:27
Subject: Chaos Marine Legion Trait Shenanigans
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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NurglesR0T wrote: ph34r wrote:Currently a massive coincidence is occurring and everyone's blue, green, white, red, black, and grey chaos marines are specifically
alpha legion
mark of slaanesh
Reasons? Rules Power? Probably just everyone really loves the deep lore supporting Slaanesh Alpha Legion armies.
Like in 4th Ed - Every DP suddenly became a patron of Slaneesh and picked up their Lash's for movement shenanigans because it was that good lol
Lash + Vindicators = profit.
You forgot Kyborgs using Plasma Cannons on those tightly packed enemy mobs. What a massacre. It was just glorious.
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2018/03/21 14:21:15
Subject: Chaos Marine Legion Trait Shenanigans
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Wait...just regarding the OP, you're complaining about not being able to use Elites as troops outside of Noise Marines? Not really following the issue here.
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2018/03/21 14:23:37
Subject: Chaos Marine Legion Trait Shenanigans
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Bounding Assault Marine
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Elbows wrote:Wait...just regarding the OP, you're complaining about not being able to use Elites as troops outside of Noise Marines? Not really following the issue here.
I think he's saying that it's silly that if he wants to play a Renegades Slaaneshi warband, Noise marines count as elites, but if he were to play a different Slaaneshi warband (Emperor's Children) they count as troops. Automatically Appended Next Post: This of course ignores that you get different bonuses aside from what counts as troop choices for Emperor's Children, Renegades, etc etc.
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2018/03/21 21:53:23
Subject: Chaos Marine Legion Trait Shenanigans
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Okay...I guess. Personally I don't do it. My army is CSM Renegades...and even though they're all Nurgle Marked and have a serious Nurgle-worshiping problem, they're still just Renegades, and are played as such.
Plague Marines are still run as Elites and not troops.
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2018/03/23 16:05:07
Subject: Chaos Marine Legion Trait Shenanigans
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Utilizing Careful Highlighting
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Pigeonholing elite supersoldiers into only using very specific strategies and equipment is dumb. My Chaos marines will employ stealth, cover, and infiltration when useful, and they don’t need to wear scaly green shoulder plates to do it. Maybe next game they’ll switch tactics and inspire terror in their enemies to send them fleeing (Probably not though morale rules are still not punishing enough).
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