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Made in au
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So I can recall a particular piece of lore but cannot find it for the life of me.
It mentioned that conflict between craftworld eldar was rare and that conflicts the put Phoenix lords on opposing sides are rarer
and it mentioned a specific instance with I beleive baharroth on one side and karandras on the Irene due to their craftworld aleigences
I am begging to wonder if I made it up, but I can recall too many specific details about it.
If anyone out there can find the mention of this I would be eternally grateful as I am going mad looking for it
   
Made in gb
Devastating Dark Reaper





Hi, you are probably thinking of the "clash of flames" box in page 46 of the 8th edition craftworlds codex which mentions a conflict at the Council of Coalition, called by Eldrad in an attempt to unite the Aeldari. Asurmen, Jain Zar and Baharroth go up against Karandras and Maugan Ra. I'm not sure whether or not the box refers to a background event better detailed elsewhere but hopefully that will give you a starting point if you want to find out more.
   
Made in es
Swift Swooping Hawk





There is also a secondary one referred in Asurmen and Jain zar novels, a long term war (albeit figthing by proxies) between Ulthwe and another minor Craftworld.

While Asurmen and Jain Zar don't engage against each other they both appear helping opposing sides of the conflict following their own agendas, and warn each side the Asurya do not take sides just follow their own fate.

P.S: it's worth to notice Gav Thorpe novels describe the Phoenix Lords as beings who follow a very specific and only know to each one of them, path of Fate that unlike the ones the Farseers witness can't be changed so they must ensure it remains on it course at any cost.

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Made in gb
Fixture of Dakka




I had the impression that rather than following a set path they were forcing it to happen.

tremere47-fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate, leads to triple riptide spam  
   
Made in ua
Storming Storm Guardian




 Lord Perversor wrote:
There is also a secondary one referred in Asurmen and Jain zar novels, a long term war (albeit figthing by proxies) between Ulthwe and another minor Craftworld.

While Asurmen and Jain Zar don't engage against each other they both appear helping opposing sides of the conflict following their own agendas, and warn each side the Asurya do not take sides just follow their own fate.

P.S: it's worth to notice Gav Thorpe novels describe the Phoenix Lords as beings who follow a very specific and only know to each one of them, path of Fate that unlike the ones the Farseers witness can't be changed so they must ensure it remains on it course at any cost.


That doesnt make sense, if they follow a fate that can't be changed, then nothing they do will affect it - they won't need to make sure it remains on course, because it'll happen regardless of their actions.
   
Made in us
Fixture of Dakka





I think by can't they mean musn't.
   
Made in es
Swift Swooping Hawk





quentra wrote:
 Lord Perversor wrote:
There is also a secondary one referred in Asurmen and Jain zar novels, a long term war (albeit figthing by proxies) between Ulthwe and another minor Craftworld.

While Asurmen and Jain Zar don't engage against each other they both appear helping opposing sides of the conflict following their own agendas, and warn each side the Asurya do not take sides just follow their own fate.

P.S: it's worth to notice Gav Thorpe novels describe the Phoenix Lords as beings who follow a very specific and only know to each one of them, path of Fate that unlike the ones the Farseers witness can't be changed so they must ensure it remains on it course at any cost.


That doesnt make sense, if they follow a fate that can't be changed, then nothing they do will affect it - they won't need to make sure it remains on course, because it'll happen regardless of their actions.


in the novels it's better explained but just a brief summary.

When a Farseer watch the skein of fate, each individual person it's a string with multiple branches off, each one show a different outcome of a decision and such when they cross their path with someone else their fates mix and the Farseer can follow the different effects of fate.

Phoenix lords on the other hand are pretty much a straight line, Farseers can't see the differences in their choices and when someone get near a Phoenix lord their fate it's *bended* around them and but they can't affect the Phoenix lord one.

That's why their fate is fixed no matter how many people they interact as no one can change the course of a Phoenix Lord fate.
   
Made in gb
Fixture of Dakka




I really like the depiction of the skein in 40k. How everyone is like a string but people like Exarchs are groups of strings forming a big string and things like Phoenix Lords and the Hive Mind are like giant ropes.

tremere47-fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate, leads to triple riptide spam  
   
Made in us
Fixture of Dakka





Thank you, Preserver and pm713. That's really cool.
   
 
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