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Anyone actually missing failcast.

It was gak as it had so many imperfections but I don't think the new plastic models look as good. I don't know if it is just the design but look at some of the metal/failcast models. I don't think they can create models like Lukas the Trickster, Astorath the Grim etc. No plastic models have come close, they seem, I don't know just no where as good. Anyone else find this?

Absolutely not.

No way, not a chance, etc.

Failcast has left a blight on a number of armies which damned well needs rectifying. I feel for Eldar aspect warrior heavy lists in particular.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Absolutely not.

No way, not a chance, etc.

Failcast has left a blight on a number of armies which damned well needs rectifying. I feel for Eldar aspect warrior heavy lists in particular.

Look outside your own army though, eldar look great in plastic as it has been a favourable transition for them, the same with tau. but look at space marines especially, you can't deny that the old sculpts were so much better. Its mainly metal I'm talking about as failcast is just basically a lighter 'metal' as they have the same sculpts, I just prefer failcast as metal chipped all the time.

Well thats a subjective call on wether the sculpts are better or not. I happen to prefer GW's more modern sculpts by-and-large.

If its the old sculpts you prefer, is the problem actually to do with missing finecast? I'm no expert, but I would imagine that anything they could achieve in pewter/finecast resin could also be achieved in plastic.

No I'm pretty happy with the new plastics. Ahriman and Kharn in particular, less so Typhus. I like the Primaris HQs, the Assassins, Archaon, Greyfax.

On the other hand, I never liked Lukas or Astorath.

I love pretty much all the Primaris sculpts to be honest. The Chaplain, the Store Birthday Captain, even the Intercessors look totally badass imo. Golden age for their model output.

Hell, no. Metal over Finecast 100 times over.

I only own a single Finecast mini- a Black Ork Warboss. And it's only because he came in a $10 bag mixed with 4 other plastic Black Orcs from the Bits Guy at Gencon, and I can forgive Finecast on a 2 dollar figure.

But still, absolutely "no". Finecast is/was a blight upon the hobby, and not even for the notoriously bad casting quality and durability of fossilized toothpaste. It's because of the blatant GW lie of it being a viable replacement for metal due to "the prices of metal being too variable and unsustainable", when the cost of nearly every single Finecast model immediately rose by 150% of the original metal figure upon it's release- sometimes by 200%. For GW prices, Finecast models would have to be absolutely perfect, as I have bought quality resin models for less money with immensely better cast quality.

Yet many of the other industry companies' metal models that have been available since the debut of Finecast have not seen such estimated price hikes, even of comparable amounts to those original Finecast prices.

Hell, for quality, I have a resin Hell Dorado model where I'm pretty sure I unwittingly bought a Russian recast of a metal figure, and it's still better than some of the best Finecast you can get.

Other than the occasional accident, metal keeps it's paint just fine provided you treat it properly. For 20 years now I have never once clear-coated a mini of mine, and I still have minis with perfectly fine paint jobs.

It's awesome that my Kaldor Draigo has a crooked sword. Just kidding.

My issue is that Finecast is really sensitive to temperature.

Leave it in the car in winter: the stuff gets brittle and snaps if looked at.
Leave it in the car in the summer: and the stuff bends / deforms under foam pressure.

Just like your pets, you really should bring them in.

I found working with it, the material seems unnecessarily delicate.
Those used to dealing with Forgeworld product, this may seem like a normal state of affairs.

I only got some 4-5 odd models and had to send them back due to missing bits (short-shots).
Much filling of bubbles was needed.
Mind, GW is always good with returns and that is all well and good but that product seemed to put the icing on the cake of the low they achieved back then.

I have almost forgiven them for back then with their behavior now.
This is not a nice trip down memory lane.
I have barely forgiven them for the metal bits Land Raider Crusader or the Thunderfire Cannon (metal which I have or resin).

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Anyone actually missing failcast.

It was gak as it had so many imperfections but I don't think the new plastic models look as good. I don't know if it is just the design but look at some of the metal/failcast models. I don't think they can create models like Lukas the Trickster, Astorath the Grim etc. No plastic models have come close, they seem, I don't know just no where as good. Anyone else find this?

None of those models look very good. I would take the literally any model in the primaris, or custodes line (even just intercessors) over the ones you named.

Not at all, failcast was a horrible thing. There is not even an inkling of that weird "it was so bad it was good" feeling. It was crap, I could not even store models in their case that were finecrap because it would bend any staff, or weapon in half. It was horrible to cut and paint, aweful to clean, never again.

 Talizvar wrote:
Those used to dealing with Forgeworld product, this may seem like a normal state of affairs.

Nope. FW resin is real resin. It has casting flaws, but not to the point that 90% of FW kits go straight into the trash after a call to customer service for a replacement (which will inevitably cause another iteration of the cycle). I have a FW army and I still have a blanket policy of never owning a finecast model. If the model is sold in finecast then it doesn't exist for me.

As a stopgap measure after they stopped (mass) metal production, it sucked. Many flaws, imperfect casts and incomplete casts due to air bubbles.

As a material, it wasn't exactly suited to the purpose (very few resins co-operate with spincasting - non-newtonian fluid dynamics come into play quite often).

I preferred metal to it. I prefer metal to the newer plastics, too (but the current trend of embiggening everything again and then covering it in skulls has meant I haven't bought a new GW model in almost 5 years anyway).

Not missing this garbage of a material in the least.

Loved some of the older sculpts, if only they were still cast in a material fit for purpose, which fiascocast isn't.

Yeah I won't miss finecast and I still refuse to buy any finecast models today. I remember heading down my local gw with my brother on launch day. We came to the concensus that around 75% of the models shouldn't be on sale because of serious mould issues and of the remaining 25% none of them were worth buying because of the amount of time and effort it would take to fill all the air holes.

To be fair I'm not sure if all of the first releases were that bad or if we just arrived a little late and all the good ones were already sold. But the staff were clearly getting frustrated by people taking the piss out of the stuff by the time we arrived.

I'm just glad that they still make some of the older models and smaller run models in metal rather than finecast.

 Sasquatch wrote:
Yeah I won't miss finecast and I still refuse to buy any finecast models today. I remember heading down my local gw with my brother on launch day. We came to the concensus that around 75% of the models shouldn't be on sale because of serious mould issues and of the remaining 25% none of them were worth buying because of the amount of time and effort it would take to fill all the air holes.

To be fair I'm not sure if all of the first releases were that bad or if we just arrived a little late and all the good ones were already sold. But the staff were clearly getting frustrated by people taking the piss out of the stuff by the time we arrived.

I'm just glad that they still make some of the older models and smaller run models in metal rather than finecast.

When GW had the gaul to sell a fail cast repair kit...

its on my automatic "no" list having worked on a few models Mrs L wanted. Just go to ebay and buy the old metal ones for less money, clean and strip them if it matters, or convert something suitable from a similar model in plastic (or buy from another range in metal or a decent resin)

Heck I can cast in resin better than that garbage

I'm not talking about the materiel itself. I'm talking about the scultps models. Its mainly metal I'm talking about as failcast is just basically a lighter 'metal' as they have the same sculpts, I just prefer failcast as metal chipped all the time. I just said failcast because there wasn't any metal left, but the new models don't come close to the old ones in my opinion.

leopard wrote:

 Sasquatch wrote:
Yeah I won't miss finecast and I still refuse to buy any finecast models today. I remember heading down my local gw with my brother on launch day. We came to the concensus that around 75% of the models shouldn't be on sale because of serious mould issues and of the remaining 25% none of them were worth buying because of the amount of time and effort it would take to fill all the air holes.

To be fair I'm not sure if all of the first releases were that bad or if we just arrived a little late and all the good ones were already sold. But the staff were clearly getting frustrated by people taking the piss out of the stuff by the time we arrived.

I'm just glad that they still make some of the older models and smaller run models in metal rather than finecast.

When GW had the gaul to sell a fail cast repair kit...

its on my automatic "no" list having worked on a few models Mrs L wanted. Just go to ebay and buy the old metal ones for less money, clean and strip them if it matters, or convert something suitable from a similar model in plastic (or buy from another range in metal or a decent resin)

Heck I can cast in resin better than that garbage

Oh god do you mean that liquid greenstuff? I got some of that since it seemed like it would be a handy gap filler for some terrain I was making... That stuff was less than useless!

And yeah ebay was my best friend when I was making a night goblin army.

I am missing a few Failcast due to the fact that the plastic versions aren't really as beautiful. For me this is usually HQ stuff like the old Autarchs and Archon. A part of me wishes they had both in their store so you could at least have some variation(as well as weapon options) when picking your HQ.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
I'm not talking about the materiel itself. I'm talking about the scultps models. Its mainly metal I'm talking about as failcast is just basically a lighter 'metal' as they have the same sculpts, I just prefer failcast as metal chipped all the time. I just said failcast because there wasn't any metal left, but the new models don't come close to the old ones in my opinion.

Well the problem here is if your talking finecast (which no isn't basically just lighter metal. it has a host of problems metal doesn't which is why its getting so much airtime in this thread) I'd rather have slightly worse sculpts than models that are terrible to work with. And lets be honest there are a lot of real good plastic character kits at the mo. Also a lot of the larger models they have probably wouldn't really be possible or practical in metal.

Its a shame they seem to have limited themselves purely to plastic going forward, some of the metal models that are currently in there range just don't seem like they'd be possible in plastic.

 Eldarsif wrote:
I am missing a few Failcast due to the fact that the plastic versions aren't really as beautiful. For me this is usually HQ stuff like the old Autarchs and Archon. A part of me wishes they had both in their store so you could at least have some variation(as well as weapon options) when picking your HQ.

miss some of the old models, the way you could have unique heroes alongside the more generic plastic ones, the new monopose plastic heroes are very nice, if you only want one of them.

But an Ork player who wants two painboys etc...


don't miss the material in the least, good riddance to bad rubbish

 Sasquatch wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
I'm not talking about the materiel itself. I'm talking about the scultps models. Its mainly metal I'm talking about as failcast is just basically a lighter 'metal' as they have the same sculpts, I just prefer failcast as metal chipped all the time. I just said failcast because there wasn't any metal left, but the new models don't come close to the old ones in my opinion.

Well the problem here is if your talking finecast (which no isn't basically just lighter metal. it has a host of problems metal doesn't which is why its getting so much airtime in this thread) I'd rather have slightly worse sculpts than models that are terrible to work with. And lets be honest there are a lot of real good plastic character kits at the mo. Also a lot of the larger models they have probably wouldn't really be possible or practical in metal.

Its a shame they seem to have limited themselves purely to plastic going forward, some of the metal models that are currently in there range just don't seem like they'd be possible in plastic.

I meant lighter metal as in a substitute, I already stated it was crap material many times.

Was the recent marbo model fine cast or forgeworld resin (first time making a resin model)? I just cut him off the sprue, cleaned him up and primed him today. It wasn't so bad. A little flash and a few prominent mould lines, but nothing a scraper, nail file and Stanley knife couldn't fix, and I use all those on plastics.

Also I hate metal. The paint never fails to chip and it's much much harder to convert. Plastic forever.

I see a lot of people hating finecast but acknowledging to have only a few finecast models, strange; how can you speak about something you don't know ? I loved finecast and its soft texture. I never had any issue with it, but I bought it very late, and I heard that late casts were better ?

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
Was the recent marbo model fine cast or forgeworld resin (first time making a resin model)? I just cut him off the sprue, cleaned him up and primed him today. It wasn't so bad. A little flash and a few prominent mould lines, but nothing a scraper, nail file and Stanley knife couldn't fix, and I use all those on plastics.

Also I hate metal. The paint never fails to chip and it's much much harder to convert. Plastic forever.

Finecast. Most of the hate people carry for the material stems from its release (still). More recently cast models, from the last few years or so, are just fine. Apparently they’ve got the process and resin mix down pat now. I’ve honestly never gotten a finecast model that was less than perfect, so maybe I’m not in the best position to judge. Still, I got a Lysander figure about a month ago, and all he needed was just the standard cleanup for a resin model (a brushing for the flash, and a scraping of the mold lines).

I like plastic for the most simple reason that it's easy to work with especially glue wise. With super glue many things can go wrong but plastic glue dries clear and is secure (also easy to repair any breaks). In my mind anyway.

I mainly play 40k but have branched out into AOS, and some of the models for the army I've chosed (Seraphon Lizardmen) are finecast. I built them last week.

They are beautiful. Loads of delicate, intricate detail.

Aside from the additional skill needed to get them ready for priming as Bi'ios said above, they are just lovely.

So yeah I think the whole failcast thing is in some ways a big bandwagon that people jump on based on the reputation from some early models.

They're not as easy to build as plastic but they are more... organic.

 godardc wrote:
I see a lot of people hating finecast but acknowledging to have only a few finecast models, strange; how can you speak about something you don't know ? I loved finecast and its soft texture. I never had any issue with it, but I bought it very late, and I heard that late casts were better ?

Because we've had more experience with things like the guy who posted, with photos and/or descriptions, about how it took more than a dozen Necron Lords to get one that was suitable enough to paint up for Golden Demon without resculpting work just to get all the destroyed details back that the old metal version would have had right out of the package.

I don't have to buy any Finecast and go through the fight with it to know it's bad, I've stood in the hobby shop and looked through several clamshells of the same figure, all broken in different/multiple ways with the parts rattling around at the bottom. If Finecast can't survive being shipped in a plastic protector and supported by the sprue, how can it stand up to being moved around on a table?

I have more traditional resin models and really love them.

I also don't need to buy it to know that I don't want to buy a 14.99 metal model at 20+ in Finecast the next day.

 godardc wrote:
I see a lot of people hating finecast but acknowledging to have only a few finecast models, strange; how can you speak about something you don't know ? I loved finecast and its soft texture. I never had any issue with it, but I bought it very late, and I heard that late casts were better ?

I have a few fail cast models, I have zero intention of every buying more after buying them, the quality was appalling and the material not fit for purpose.

Point being I don't overly care if GW have replaced it with perfect casting liquid perfection, they have tainted the brand through their own ineptitude.

Like how I have had the misfortune to own two VW and will never own another one, I don't care if the issues were "one offs" or "have now been fixed".

Some may well like finecast, thats up to them, but the way GW have dropped it tends to suggest it flopped


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 AegisGrimm wrote:

 godardc wrote:
I see a lot of people hating finecast but acknowledging to have only a few finecast models, strange; how can you speak about something you don't know ? I loved finecast and its soft texture. I never had any issue with it, but I bought it very late, and I heard that late casts were better ?

Because we've had more experience with things like the guy who posted, with photos and/or descriptions, about how it took more than a dozen Necron Lords to get one that was suitable enough to paint up for Golden Demon without resculpting work just to get all the destroyed details back that the old metal version would have had right out of the package.

I don't have to buy any Finecast and go through the fight with it to know it's bad, I've stood in the hobby shop and looked through several clamshells of the same figure, all broken in different/multiple ways with the parts rattling around at the bottom. If Finecast can't survive being shipped in a plastic protector and supported by the sprue, how can it stand up to being moved around on a table?

I have more traditional resin models and really love them.

I also don't need to buy it to know that I don't want to buy a 14.99 metal model at 20+ in Finecast the next day.

To be fair to GW, they had to uplift the price... a miscast metal goes back into the pot, a miscast resin goes to the customer, several times, I dread to think what the discard rate was but if the manpower to make them (which is the main cost driver I;d guess) is the same, but you have to make say 20% more for quality fails they have to lift the price...

this is of course them putting a gun to their own foot, firing, reloading and repeating, then charging us for the increase in medical insurance costs

Well I never have had bad cast with finecast so wasn't that bothered by them. Guess them having better quality control for them would have been good. Also finecast characters absolutely should cost less than plastic equilavents due to the way model production prices run which would give finecast useful role. Plastic sucks for characters as it ramps up prices.