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We'll find out soon enough eh.

I can't be the only person still watching this surely? I never particularly got the dislike some folk had for the earlier seasons, but regardless these days I think it's legit good stuff. It's not The Expanse, often it's not even The Flash, but in a world where Legends of Derpmorrow is well regarded I kinda feel like Agents is getting the short end of the stick. While I would have preferred they kept a more explicit link to the films, even if it stayed low-key, it is true that the show getting better has coincided with them going much more in their own way.

Anyway, regarding the most recent episode:

Spoiler:
OK, am I the only one who remembers that they never actually explicitly confirmed Daisy was the Destroyer of Worlds while they were all in the future? She goes into a place, there's a big ol' gravity anomaly, and the planet gets shredded, so naturally future-folk assume it was her fault, but now we know(or think we know) what the lead-in to that scenario is I'm not sure why folk are so certain it's her. There are now four potential Destroyers in play - it could be Daisy as future folk believed, but it's also possible(and I believe more likely) that Daisy went to the place it goes all wonko to confront the actual Destroyer who either goes proper supervillain-mental or loses control of their power, and there are three candidates for that scenario: Ruby could get her wish, and she certainly seems like the sort of person who'd blow up a planet through arrogance or spite(and also - good job AoS for having a badass female character that demonstrates vacuous "girl power" sentiment isn't actually a solution to anything, what matters is whether the person you're giving power to is worthy of it and whether they can handle it in an ethical way); the experiments with Creel and the Gravitonium could go horribly wrong and he could lose control after absorbing some; or the experiments could "release" Graviton to wreak havoc.

Indeed at this point, I'm thinking in fact the way to change the timeline and avert the cracked-earth future is for Quake to be the one who goes into the weird-science-chamber-thing, and so give herself the strength to overcome whoever the actual baddie/nutter/control-losing-timbomb-person is. I'm also not quite convinced Coulson is the one who's going to bite it, and I can't tell if that's a double-fakeout and he actually is, or if they're going to go with either the obvious potential alternatives(Yoyo, Deke, or one of the Simmonds-Fitz's) or a less obvious one(May, because of course they would spend the season setting up that she's the only one to get a relatively happy future as a surrogate mother to the prophet-girl in the dark timeline, only for May's death and the wee girl's reaction to losing her future-mum be the confirmation that the timeline has changed).

You know, I think I had an easier time with the season that had a guy who's skull burst into flames when he got annoyed and the crazy android lady trapping everyone in virtual reality as their evil selves than with all this timey-wimey stuff.

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Yah this season has been quite the mind trip
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after last night episode I’m convinced it’s fitz, Simmons, and Yoyo that are gonna bring the apocalypse. But I’ve never beeen good about figuring stuff out like that

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I've not seen any of the current season yet, but IMO the show's average quality is IMO probably higher than basically all other superhero tv-shows except maybe Netflix's and it goes different places every season, keeping it fresh and less formulaic than, say, Flash or especially Arrow.
On a related note, has anyone seen Slingshot, and is it any good?
   
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I watched it a lot up till now.. this last season just couldn't hold my interest.. I found myself doing other stuff while it was on, rather than sitting down and shutting up. Last 3 or 4 episodes I barely remember, and I recently told my DVR to not record it anymore.

The last season with the Not-Matrix thing was where I think I started losing interest.

 
   
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I honestly forgot this season was still going, it was kinda a drag for me up until Fitz (Fitz, Ward and Hunter having been my favorite Characters) finally showed up and after that I just got busy and stopped following it.

They're out of the future now then?
   
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I've always found Agents of SHIELD to really suffer from the now traditional mid-season break.

I don't know if it's because their casting isn't particularly distinctive, but I always find that by the time it comes back on, I've little clue who is who outside of the main team. And as of the last season, found it genuinely hard to care.

Maybe a Netflix Binge will help there? Certainly made Gotham far more enjoyable for me.

   
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Is it on Netflix now? I always forget what channel it's on in the UK; I missed all the Ghost Rider episodes of the last series before I found out it was on.
   
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I thought the mini seasons they did last season were the most consistently great stuff the show did. Ghost Rider, LMD, and the not-Matrix were 3 great story arcs that really stretched the show's potential.

The setup for the current season seemed interesting, but as soon as the first episode made it clear that we were going to be spending a lot of time in the future learning about their dystopian culture and meeting a bunch of downtrodden new characters I lost interest. I gave up about the point where they had the phase girl arena fight when I realized I was actively looking for excuses not to watch it. I hear the season has some great stuff, but I overall just didn't care for the premise.
   
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I love it but only via binging. Kinda like all the super hero shows including Gotham.

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Binging it now on Netflix (up to Season 2 only) and enjoy it.

SHIELD was always on of my favorite things in Marvel, they're a perfect glue for the superhero universe.

Spidy needs some information to move the plot along? SHIELD
Thor needs someone to take the monster into custody so he can move on? SHIELD
Avengers need a 1000 cannon fodder guys to die? SHIELD
Fantastic Four need a government foil to threaten them? SHIELD

So as much as I liked the Winter Soldier twist I am kind of missing the whole 'vast superhuman bureaucracy' hopefully the agency gets reinstated some time.


 
   
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I just finished the latest season. Aparently it's been renewed for a shorter 13 episode season set to launch after avengers 4 does.

My issue with the show has always been 2 fold.

1) The classic TV format of the show makes it all very cartoonishly episodic. It's not like the Netflix shows where your watching these really well drawn out story arks for the characters and instead you get this kind of... mish mash of the status quo more or less being maintained despite whats happening in the world around them with a bloated episode count and a lot of filler. That doesn't mean shakes ups don't happen with certain characters having ends or new characters coming on board or whatever. But it always FEELS the same.

2) It's SO disconnected from the other Marvel properties. I mean the Netflix stuff isn't great at that either but at least the Netflix shows mesh with each other. (Why wasn't Luke Cage and Jessica Jones forced to sign the Sokovia Accords?) But Agents of shield is a million times worse. Why don't THEY show up in NY and put Jessica Jones and Luke Cage on the Index? When a magic thing happens thats really big like...

Spoiler:
Ghost Rider and the Darkhold


...where the hell is Wong and Dr. Strange?

Between the cushy low stakes made for TV format and the serious disconnect I only ever have a passing interest in the show. I get through each season EVENTUALLY but I just don't care about what happens in it like I do with the other Marvel properties because it has literally no impact on anything but itself.

I end up feeling the same way about Runaways. Haven't seen Cloak and Dagger yet. Need to get around to it.

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Agents of SHIELD is a show that continues to waste its potential every second it is on screen. That doesn't mean I dislike it, in fact it's only ever gotten stronger since it started (the previous season with the 'pod' structure for its stories, was excellent). It's just it's always going to be a show that never lives up to its potential.

These remain as true now as they were a couple of years ago:






 Yodhrin wrote:
... Legends of Derpmorrow...
You, sir, have no soul.

Legends is the one show on TV that full embraces both how silly it is, and how D-list its heroes are, and just runs with it no matter what. Their last season ended with a monster fight between a giant time demon and a huge fluffy soft-toy that they summoned using magical amulets. No other show would do that, and that's both a good and bad thing.


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 Lance845 wrote:
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2) It's SO disconnected from the other Marvel properties. I mean the Netflix stuff isn't great at that either but at least the Netflix shows mesh with each other. (Why wasn't Luke Cage and Jessica Jones forced to sign the Sokovia Accords?) But Agents of shield is a million times worse. Why don't THEY show up in NY and put Jessica Jones and Luke Cage on the Index?


I'm head cannoning a scene not dissimilar to the Wolverine one from First Class

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I may try to give this show another go. I think I made it through S2 my first Go, but it is a huge commitment. So many episodes. So many filler episodes that barely touch on the plot. I am hoping they got better about that.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Agents of SHIELD is a show that continues to waste its potential every second it is on screen. That doesn't mean I dislike it, in fact it's only ever gotten stronger since it started (the previous season with the 'pod' structure for its stories, was excellent). It's just it's always going to be a show that never lives up to its potential.

These remain as true now as they were a couple of years ago:






 Yodhrin wrote:
... Legends of Derpmorrow...
You, sir, have no soul.

Legends is the one show on TV that full embraces both how silly it is, and how D-list its heroes are, and just runs with it no matter what. Their last season ended with a monster fight between a giant time demon and a huge fluffy soft-toy that they summoned using magical amulets. No other show would do that, and that's both a good and bad thing.



Did they add Constantine to the crew? I know it was talked about for a while. Never knew if it happened. That would really raise the show from meh to interesting to me.
   
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Legends of tomorrow is a curious case - first season was a "recycle obsolete characters" show which had it's value for arrowverse fans, second season is why this "legends of derpmorrow" is well deserved mock, but in the third season they finally figured out what the show wanted to be by itself (after a little help from musical crossover event) and it's quite unique now - all this juggling with convention... final Furby battle, Damien Dark fatherhood counseling, Groundhog day episode, to name just few.

As to Agents of SHIELD disconnection from the main universe, this is not the fault of showrunners, but split between Marvel television and Marvel film divisions - you can find an interview with Agents showrunners on how they tried to cope with this information ban for last two seasons. This shows the most in final episodes of the last season when they tried to put some probable (but clearly blind) references to premiere of Infinity War, but failed miserably because of the Infinity War ending... But I agree, that the show would be so much better if Agents, Netflix series and MCU were coherent, but at the same time I fear they all would be totally unmanageable at this point.


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And yes, Constantine have a side role in the last season and joins the crew permanently for the next season.

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Yes to both summaries. Yep. I should also start counting how many times a flying car with machine guns might be useful if only they had the budget to use it

I had to laugh when they did an Asgard episode and the villain was... Lorelai? Lorelai? Seriously? You couldn't even get the Enchantress so you had to use her younger, hotter sister? Man that's just sad. If I hadn't reread the Simonson run last year I'd've just assume you made her up for the episode.

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nou wrote:
Legends of tomorrow is a curious case - first season was a "recycle obsolete characters" show which had it's value for arrowverse fans, second season is why this "legends of derpmorrow" is well deserved mock, but in the third season they finally figured out what the show wanted to be by itself (after a little help from musical crossover event) and it's quite unique now - all this juggling with convention... final Furby battle, Damien Dark fatherhood counseling, Groundhog day episode, to name just few.

As to Agents of SHIELD disconnection from the main universe, this is not the fault of showrunners, but split between Marvel television and Marvel film divisions - you can find an interview with Agents showrunners on how they tried to cope with this information ban for last two seasons. This shows the most in final episodes of the last season when they tried to put some probable (but clearly blind) references to premiere of Infinity War, but failed miserably because of the Infinity War ending... But I agree, that the show would be so much better if Agents, Netflix series and MCU were coherent, but at the same time I fear they all would be totally unmanageable at this point.


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And yes, Constantine have a side role in the last season and joins the crew permanently for the next season.


Agents of Shields current (this last) season has been a bit of a grind for me. Legends of Tomorrow its dumb, completely dumb and I love it. I love it not taking itself too seriously. I love them bringing Constantine in, Heatwave is great. Damien Dark was great this last season.
   
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 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
nou wrote:
Legends of tomorrow is a curious case - first season was a "recycle obsolete characters" show which had it's value for arrowverse fans, second season is why this "legends of derpmorrow" is well deserved mock, but in the third season they finally figured out what the show wanted to be by itself (after a little help from musical crossover event) and it's quite unique now - all this juggling with convention... final Furby battle, Damien Dark fatherhood counseling, Groundhog day episode, to name just few.

As to Agents of SHIELD disconnection from the main universe, this is not the fault of showrunners, but split between Marvel television and Marvel film divisions - you can find an interview with Agents showrunners on how they tried to cope with this information ban for last two seasons. This shows the most in final episodes of the last season when they tried to put some probable (but clearly blind) references to premiere of Infinity War, but failed miserably because of the Infinity War ending... But I agree, that the show would be so much better if Agents, Netflix series and MCU were coherent, but at the same time I fear they all would be totally unmanageable at this point.


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And yes, Constantine have a side role in the last season and joins the crew permanently for the next season.


Agents of Shields current (this last) season has been a bit of a grind for me. Legends of Tomorrow its dumb, completely dumb and I love it. I love it not taking itself too seriously. I love them bringing Constantine in, Heatwave is great. Damien Dark was great this last season.


I was totally sold on the last LoT season when they run Heatwave as the intro voiceover - this few lines summarise the feel of third season very adequately
   
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nou wrote:
 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
nou wrote:
Legends of tomorrow is a curious case - first season was a "recycle obsolete characters" show which had it's value for arrowverse fans, second season is why this "legends of derpmorrow" is well deserved mock, but in the third season they finally figured out what the show wanted to be by itself (after a little help from musical crossover event) and it's quite unique now - all this juggling with convention... final Furby battle, Damien Dark fatherhood counseling, Groundhog day episode, to name just few.

As to Agents of SHIELD disconnection from the main universe, this is not the fault of showrunners, but split between Marvel television and Marvel film divisions - you can find an interview with Agents showrunners on how they tried to cope with this information ban for last two seasons. This shows the most in final episodes of the last season when they tried to put some probable (but clearly blind) references to premiere of Infinity War, but failed miserably because of the Infinity War ending... But I agree, that the show would be so much better if Agents, Netflix series and MCU were coherent, but at the same time I fear they all would be totally unmanageable at this point.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
And yes, Constantine have a side role in the last season and joins the crew permanently for the next season.


Agents of Shields current (this last) season has been a bit of a grind for me. Legends of Tomorrow its dumb, completely dumb and I love it. I love it not taking itself too seriously. I love them bringing Constantine in, Heatwave is great. Damien Dark was great this last season.


I was totally sold on the last LoT season when they run Heatwave as the intro voiceover - this few lines summarise the feel of third season very adequately


Spoiler:



Heatwave forever the best character.

Though the Wally and Rip team up was pretty good, if only for the karaoke.

To be relevant to the the topic at hand. I hope they bring back more of Lance Hunter if the show continues. The episode with him and Fitz this season was one that I enjoyed.

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We'll find out soon enough eh.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
You, sir, have no soul.

Legends is the one show on TV that full embraces both how silly it is, and how D-list its heroes are, and just runs with it no matter what. Their last season ended with a monster fight between a giant time demon and a huge fluffy soft-toy that they summoned using magical amulets. No other show would do that, and that's both a good and bad thing.



Hey, I have plenty of soul. I also have a brain, which I prefer not to be liquefying itself and running out of my nose in a desperate attempt to escape the torrent of monumental stupid coming in through my ears & eyeballs

But also, sure, here and there, on occasion, Legends is giant talking plushies vs time demons. But most of the time it's just really, really bad jokes(and not bad in a self-aware, we know it's bad we're doing it on purpose way, they just don't land or aren't anywhere near as funny as the show evidently thinks they are), average to awful acting, and plots so thin they're practically monomolecular. Rory is mostly good. Sara is mostly good. Gideon and Ray have their moments. Between them, the genuinely mental stuff, and the occasional joke that does land the show is just about worth watching, but "hahahah we're bad and we acknowledge we're bad with a knowing wink" isn't enough to be good.

SHIELD, by contrast, may never live up to what it could have been, but what it is is pretty good, and you can hardly accuse it of running away from the sillier elements, it just kind of accepts them and moves on rather than being an endless performative song & dance about how they're silly and they know that and hoho aren't they clever How Do You Do, Fellow Comic Book Nerds.

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Halfway through Season 2, Skye got super powers, really enjoying evil Agent Cooper (does he ever get a name?) though the Legion of Super Object 084s didn't quite click.

Looking forward to S.H.I.E.L.D. vs T.H.E. R.E.A.L. S.H.I.E.L.D.

(Should have gone with SWORD or something though I guess the aim was to invoke the Real IRA)

 
   
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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Halfway through Season 2, Skye got super powers, really enjoying evil Agent Cooper (does he ever get a name?) though the Legion of Super Object 084s didn't quite click.

Looking forward to S.H.I.E.L.D. vs T.H.E. R.E.A.L. S.H.I.E.L.D.

(Should have gone with SWORD or something though I guess the aim was to invoke the Real IRA)


The marvel universe already has an organization called s.w.o.r.d.

Its more or less shield for extraterrestrial threats. Fun fact. Hank mc coy (beast) has been a member of sword.


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I know about SWORD, even ARMOR (parallel universes) that's why I think it would be a better name for E.V.I.L. S.H.I.E.L.D. than T.H.E. R.E.A.L. S.H.I.E.L.D.


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Which reminds me, all 3 version of the SHIELD acronym have always bugged me.

60s Marvel:
Supreme Headquarters for International Espionage: Law Enforcement Division

Well espionage and law enforcement aren't really the same thing, they're sort of opposites. And you don't really do much espionage, you mostly fight terrorists in halloween costumes.

80s Marvel:
Strategic Hazard Intervention Espionage Logistics Directorate

What the hell does that even mean? What is a 'strategic hazard'? What are 'espionage logistics'? So like, do you supply ammo to SHIEED the Strategic Hazard Intervention Espionage Enforcement Directorate?

00s Movies:
Strategic Homeland Intervention, Enforcement and Logistics Division

What is the Strategic Homeland? I like the Intervention and Enforcement bit, Logistics, yeah sure why not.

So how about:

Supernatural Hazard Investigation, Enforcement and Logistics Directorate

The Supernatural Hazard gives them a nice mission, they handle weird stuff. Terrorists, that's for the FBI, supervillain terrorists, that's SHIELD. And what do they do with supernatural hazards, they investigate, they enforce the law and they take care of things - logistics.

Need to know how this alien things works - investigation
Need to catch that alien warrior - enforcement
Need to imprison the alien - logistics

And there's no such thing as a directorate in the US government so you make it work any way you need it to.

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They could have used Hammer. When Norman Osborn took over the 50 state initiative he scrapped shield and built H.A.M.M.E.R. to take it's place as a more proactive and aggressive organization. Or "Evil Shield".


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Hmm H.A.M.M.E.R...

Headquarters for Alien, Monster and Mutant Emergency Response

 
   
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I try to keep up with it, but Channel 4’a haphazard approach to actually airing the thing makes it difficult.

Perhaps a ‘from the top’ binge through is in order?

   
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S2 - Inhumans are annoying.

 
   
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Ike pearlmuters fixation with making the inhumans the mcus mutants is super obvious and really poorly done.

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Up to Season 1, Episode 5.

Oddly more coherent than I remember it.

   
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S2 - Inhumans are annoying.
Compared to Marvel's The Inhumans, they're Shakespearean art.

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