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Seeing that existing space marines can become Primarisised, who do you think or want it to be.

I'd like it to be Lukas the Trickster, just because It would be funny for all the other old wolves that looked down on him, suddenly become subordinate to his power and abilities, and of course he'd lord it over them, which would be pretty funny.
   
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I hope it some iron hands one

they need some loven.

though id love to see lysander get even more buff.


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 ProwlerPC wrote:
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It probably will be Calgar but I hope not, it would be so predictable and boring.
   
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Hopefully Ghazghkull.
   
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Hopefully Ghazghkull.


It would be pretty cool having an original run around in mk X armour.

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They confirmed this? Where?!

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 ProwlerPC wrote:
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Lord of Ultramar, regent of the Tetrachs, not a chance, Dark Imperium shows that there is little to no chance of him becoming primaris, if anything it will be mega old sculpts that they want to update, so Ezekiel etc. I think.
   
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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
They confirmed this? Where?!


They said it early on, can't remember where. Primaris will end up replacing the range as old marines look ridiculous now, and as a business model they will obviously replace old models with what looks better plus, obviously they aren't going to get rid of all the characters we know and love.


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 Formosa wrote:
 ProwlerPC wrote:
Marneus Calgar in an attempt to regain some attention.


Lord of Ultramar, regent of the Tetrachs, not a chance, Dark Imperium shows that there is little to no chance of him becoming primaris, if anything it will be mega old sculpts that they want to update, so Ezekiel etc. I think.


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 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
They confirmed this? Where?!


They said it early on, can't remember where. Primaris will end up replacing the range as old marines look ridiculous now, and as a business model they will obviously replace old models with what looks better plus, obviously they aren't going to get rid of all the characters we know and love.

Games Workshop didn't say anything like this. Hysterical people on this site said that Primaris would completely replace regular Space Marines.

And as business models go, it wouldn't be a sound tactic: why discontinue a large amount of your products that a lot of people love for a range that a lot of people either hate or won't buy simply because A. Their rules are crap and B. They look so silly compared to regular marines.

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 mrhappyface wrote:
 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
They confirmed this? Where?!


They said it early on, can't remember where. Primaris will end up replacing the range as old marines look ridiculous now, and as a business model they will obviously replace old models with what looks better plus, obviously they aren't going to get rid of all the characters we know and love.

Games Workshop didn't say anything like this. Hysterical people on this site said that Primaris would completely replace regular Space Marines.

And as business models go, it wouldn't be a sound tactic: why discontinue a large amount of your products that a lot of people love for a range that a lot of people either hate or won't buy simply because A. Their rules are crap and B. They look so silly compared to regular marines.


They didn't say they will but of course they will, I've been playing since 2nd, they have replaced armies with new technology and better sculpts many times. Why would a business not use new technology and keep the old, so what if people like the old models, has that stopped them before. They have to think about the future and their brand. A new player is not going to want old marines compared to primaris. If they can make better looking models they will, they are a miniature business. Making Primaris instead of just replacing the old models for true scale will either be a good decision or a bad one that will cost them. But to say that they will keep the old ones because you happen to think people like them is absurd and completely contravene good buisness practice. Why do so many players/collectors not understand that GW is a business like any other. They did it with AOS its pretty obvious that they are going to do it with 40k, why do you think they simplified the rules? It was to bring in new players, we all understood the rules fine. Just because you like something isn't logical justification for GW going against what you like. Lots of people loved squats.

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 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
They didn't say they will but of course they will, I've been playing since 2nd, they have replaced armies with new technology and better sculpts many times. Why would a business not use new technology and keep the old, so what if people like the old models, has that stopped them before. They have to think about the future and their brand. If they can make better looking models they will, they are a miniature business. Making Primaris instead of just replacing the old models for true scale will either be a good decision or a bad one that will cost them. But to say that they will keep the old ones because you happen to think people like them is absurd and completely contravene good buisness practice. Why do so many players/collectors not understand that GW is a business like any other. They did it with AOS its pretty obvious that they are going to do it with 40k. Just because you like something isn't logical justification for GW going against what you like.

You're not talking about just updating a model to look better though, that would be a fine business tactic as they've done this many times before, you're talking about replacing the 40k poster boy that's been around since the beginning. Discontinuing your oldest and most loved series of models would not lead to a healthy profit.

You have to think about the future but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to drop a product that has brought steady revenue for 30+ years.

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They do say it, but in the fluff, guiliman says that be under no illusions, the primaris are the future and WILL replace the old space marines, now whether this comes to pass in real life, don’t know, but they are advancing the story so given time (years at least) marines will be phased out.
   
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 mrhappyface wrote:
 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
They didn't say they will but of course they will, I've been playing since 2nd, they have replaced armies with new technology and better sculpts many times. Why would a business not use new technology and keep the old, so what if people like the old models, has that stopped them before. They have to think about the future and their brand. If they can make better looking models they will, they are a miniature business. Making Primaris instead of just replacing the old models for true scale will either be a good decision or a bad one that will cost them. But to say that they will keep the old ones because you happen to think people like them is absurd and completely contravene good buisness practice. Why do so many players/collectors not understand that GW is a business like any other. They did it with AOS its pretty obvious that they are going to do it with 40k. Just because you like something isn't logical justification for GW going against what you like.

You're not talking about just updating a model to look better though, that would be a fine business tactic as they've done this many times before, you're talking about replacing the 40k poster boy that's been around since the beginning. Discontinuing your oldest and most loved series of models would not lead to a healthy profit.

You have to think about the future but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to drop a product that has brought steady revenue for 30+ years.


Well the 40k poster boy is now outdated and does not look good in comparison to Primaris. so they will be 'updated' because they aren't going to keep them around and Primaris will all that will be left. You have no idea whether discontinuing them will be a healthy profit or not and whether it is or not is irrelevant to whether or not they are going to do that, business means taking chances. Even look at the lore, Primaris marines have taken over the gene technology, why would they continue to make normal marines when they have this new and improved tech... They aren't dropping marines, Primaris are marines just like how GW completely reconceptualised how orks looked, or eldar or tyranids etc. This time they are just changing the lore with the change of look. You'll be upset in the future because I would bet my mortgage that they will phase out normal marines. grab one of your marines and hold it beside a primaris, do you really believe they'll keep them around... also look at them from the point of view of a new player.

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 Formosa wrote:
They do say it, but in the fluff, guiliman says that be under no illusions, the primaris are the future and WILL replace the old space marines, now whether this comes to pass in real life, don’t know, but they are advancing the story so given time (years at least) marines will be phased out.


it'll take centuries, proably millenia, for standard marines to be phased out. we're currently in the "awkward change over stage" proably the most intreasting part

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BrianDavion wrote:
 Formosa wrote:
They do say it, but in the fluff, guiliman says that be under no illusions, the primaris are the future and WILL replace the old space marines, now whether this comes to pass in real life, don’t know, but they are advancing the story so given time (years at least) marines will be phased out.


it'll take centuries, proably millenia, for standard marines to be phased out. we're currently in the "awkward change over stage" proably the most intreasting part


Not mellenia at all, space marines live on avarage about 200 years and they are all going to be turned into primaris so it won't just be a matter of waiting for them all to die.
   
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 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
 Formosa wrote:
They do say it, but in the fluff, guiliman says that be under no illusions, the primaris are the future and WILL replace the old space marines, now whether this comes to pass in real life, don’t know, but they are advancing the story so given time (years at least) marines will be phased out.


it'll take centuries, proably millenia, for standard marines to be phased out. we're currently in the "awkward change over stage" proably the most intreasting part


Not mellenia at all, space marines live on avarage about 200 years and they are all going to be turned into primaris so it won't just be a matter of waiting for them all to die.


we have only had one source on the upgrades, and had other sources say ".. never heard that before" so I'd not take it as gosiple until we start seeing it happen. Millenia ios honestly a pretty good guess though because some chapters will be slow to embrace them.

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 Formosa wrote:
They do say it, but in the fluff, guiliman says that be under no illusions, the primaris are the future and WILL replace the old space marines, now whether this comes to pass in real life, don’t know, but they are advancing the story so given time (years at least) marines will be phased out.

I really wish that primaris marines never became a thing: that GW said "hey we have these new sculpts for space marines" and maybe "to reflect the fluff here are new rules".

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Shortly after, Calgar dies and he becomes Primaris Chapter Master.

   
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Kor'sarro Khan. Because we need a reason to get Primaris bikes.

On the other hand, I hope none. GW made a mistake with the primaris, a bold move, but a mistake. They haven't sold as well as they hoped, and I'm sure the regular marines still sell a lot better than Primaris. This won't change, because the majority of people like the regular models more. The only way to phase out normal marines, would be to create a codex that completely makes the old marines unplayable, and make the Primaris OP.. That's the only way to skyrocket their sales. On the other hand, if they do outphase the normal marines, they'd have to do the same with the Chaos Marines. But then again, I hope not, cause the Primaris are indeed decent models, but they aren't half as awesome as the good old marines. And the fluff behind the Primaris are dumb. Only good thing that came with all this, is the return of primarchs. That's awesome!

 
   
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 Formosa wrote:
They do say it, but in the fluff, guiliman says that be under no illusions, the primaris are the future and WILL replace the old space marines, now whether this comes to pass in real life, don’t know, but they are advancing the story so given time (years at least) marines will be phased out.


Having actually read Dark Imperium, that was Captain Felix putting his own views on Guillimans actions. Guilliman himself doesnt really favour them, and that is pretty clearly shown when the Tetrarchs are created and only one of them is Primaris, and he pretty heavily implies he only made Felix a Tetrarch so the Primaris have a voice (1/5 of the Space Marines ruling the Five Hundred Worlds).

Guilliman himself called them Cawls blasphemous hordes.

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sempthegreat wrote:
Kor'sarro Khan. Because we need a reason to get Primaris bikes.

On the other hand, I hope none. GW made a mistake with the primaris, a bold move, but a mistake. They haven't sold as well as they hoped, and I'm sure the regular marines still sell a lot better than Primaris. This won't change, because the majority of people like the regular models more. The only way to phase out normal marines, would be to create a codex that completely makes the old marines unplayable, and make the Primaris OP.. That's the only way to skyrocket their sales. On the other hand, if they do outphase the normal marines, they'd have to do the same with the Chaos Marines. But then again, I hope not, cause the Primaris are indeed decent models, but they aren't half as awesome as the good old marines. And the fluff behind the Primaris are dumb. Only good thing that came with all this, is the return of primarchs. That's awesome!


What are you basing this on?
Without official sale statistics or widespread consumer feedback I could say the exact opposite that the Primaris line had outsold every other model line and 95% of the Marine players are loving them.

Objectively the model proportions are much better, the overall models are subjective of course.

They don't have to outphase Chaos Marines, because they made the Primaris are different in the fluff (dumb fluff, I agree with you here) from normal Marines. The original legions didn't have Primaris in the Horus Heresy, therefore there are no Chaos Primaris (yet).

   
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 Hanskrampf wrote:
sempthegreat wrote:
Kor'sarro Khan. Because we need a reason to get Primaris bikes.

On the other hand, I hope none. GW made a mistake with the primaris, a bold move, but a mistake. They haven't sold as well as they hoped, and I'm sure the regular marines still sell a lot better than Primaris. This won't change, because the majority of people like the regular models more. The only way to phase out normal marines, would be to create a codex that completely makes the old marines unplayable, and make the Primaris OP.. That's the only way to skyrocket their sales. On the other hand, if they do outphase the normal marines, they'd have to do the same with the Chaos Marines. But then again, I hope not, cause the Primaris are indeed decent models, but they aren't half as awesome as the good old marines. And the fluff behind the Primaris are dumb. Only good thing that came with all this, is the return of primarchs. That's awesome!


What are you basing this on?
Without official sale statistics or widespread consumer feedback I could say the exact opposite that the Primaris line had outsold every other model line and 95% of the Marine players are loving them.

Objectively the model proportions are much better, the overall models are subjective of course.

They don't have to outphase Chaos Marines, because they made the Primaris are different in the fluff (dumb fluff, I agree with you here) from normal Marines. The original legions didn't have Primaris in the Horus Heresy, therefore there are no Chaos Primaris (yet).


You are correct. I do not have any official sale statistics, and I base what I wrote on what seems to be the general opinions, in my observations. And yes, they would have to make Primaris' for Chaos, which is also hinted at that Fabius Bile is working on. Fluffwise, if they would've just gone with story from Raven Guard in the book Deliverance Lost. That is essentially Primaris marines until the corruption.

 
   
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 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
 Formosa wrote:
They do say it, but in the fluff, guiliman says that be under no illusions, the primaris are the future and WILL replace the old space marines, now whether this comes to pass in real life, don’t know, but they are advancing the story so given time (years at least) marines will be phased out.


it'll take centuries, proably millenia, for standard marines to be phased out. we're currently in the "awkward change over stage" proably the most intreasting part


Not mellenia at all, space marines live on avarage about 200 years and they are all going to be turned into primaris so it won't just be a matter of waiting for them all to die.


There's always the get out on that though where there's chapters that just floating in the void wrecking stuff periodically and aren't in tune with the Imperium as a whole. The Carcharodons come to mind, they could be doing their thing for millennia before someone prods them and says your marines are old and weak, here's how to make better ones. I do think the Space Marine line will become much more focused on Primaris in the next few years though.

Personally, I prefer the look of the Primaris models, even if the fluff is a bit crap. As for purchases, since my return just before 8th dropped, apart from the Dark Vengeance set I've not bought a single old marine, and have bought quite a few Primaris kits.

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None hopefully, it would do a disservice to the character in my opinion. New Primaris Characters would be great but I think the old ones should be left to die off.

Trying to put it in to words, I think having say, Dante, upgrade to Primaris would mean that he's not awesome already and that he needed to become a Primaris to be more awesome. Why can't he just accept himself as is, or any character. But then to counter you could say that they recognise upgrading to Primaris allows them to fight the Imperiums enemies better and harder. I just think it would cheapen the character though.

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 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
They confirmed this? Where?!


They said it early on, can't remember where. Primaris will end up replacing the range as old marines look ridiculous now, and as a business model they will obviously replace old models with what looks better plus, obviously they aren't going to get rid of all the characters we know and love.


Which was then redacted as it was confirmed by several BL authors that they were specifically told not to write about this.

Nothing has been said either way as of right now AFAIK.


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Maybe they'll just start rescaling oldmarines to not look silly next to primaris. IMO the big project should have been the new equipment for the same Marines; new armor could justify the change in size while other new equipment could be the source of the new units. Add in that Cawl created a process for vat-grown Marines to fill in the reinforcements & controversy area of the story and everything works.

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