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Hi all,

In light of the spring FAQ, I've modified my army to be a pure AM competitive list. Thoughts on its competitiveness? I'm not sure what is worth replacing either Grand Strategist or Kurov's Aquila with seeing as how I'm swimming in CPs.

Total CPs: 12 + 3 + 1 + 3 = 19

Cadian Brigade
HQ
Knight Commander Pask - Punisher, Stormbolter, lascannon, 2 Heavy bolters 235
Company Commander with shotgun, Grand Strategist, Kurov's Aquila 30
Company Commander with shotgun 30


Troops
Infantry squad - lascannon, plasma gun, boltgun 68
Infantry squad - lascannon, plasma gun, boltgun 68
Infantry Squad - plasma gun, chainsword + laspistol 47
Infantry Squad - plasma gun, chainsword + laspistol 47
Infantry Squad - plasma gun, chainsword + laspistol 47
Infantry Squad - plasma gun, chainsword + laspistol 47
Infantry Squad - plasma gun, chainsword + laspistol 47

Elites
Command Squad - Lascannon 44
Command Squad - Lascannon 44
Special Weapons Squad - 3 plasma guns, 3 lasguns 45
Platoon commander - boltgun 21

Fast Attack
Scout sentinel with heavy flamer 52
Scout sentinel with heavy flamer 52
Scout sentinel with heavy flamer 52

Heavy Support
Mortar HWS 33
Mortar HWS 33
Mortar HWS 33

Catachan Spearhead
HQ
Primaris Psyker with Force Stave 46

Elites
Master of Ordnance 30

Heavy Support
Manticore - heavy bolter, stormbolter 145
Manticore - heavy bolter, stormbolter 145
Manticore - heavy bolter, stormbolter 145

Militarum Tempestus Battalion
HQ
Tempestor Prime - command rod, chainsword 45
Tempestor Prime - command rod, chainsword 45

Troops
Scions - x 5 - plasma pistol, 2 plasma guns, 2 hot shot lasguns 78
Scions - x 5 - plasma pistol, 2 plasma guns, 2 hot shot lasguns 78
Scions - x 5 - plasma pistol, 2 plasma guns, 2 hot shot lasguns 78

Elites
Scion command squad - 4 plasma 88

Total: 1998

It's rather similar to what I'm fielding except that I have space marine devestators instead of catachan manticores, and Elysians instead of scions. Also, I put sniper rifles on my elite squads rather than plasma guns and lascannons.

Battalion is +5 cp now so your at 21 CP.

Not a fan of the Command squads with lascannons TBH.

My suggestion:

Cut:

Company Commander with shotgun

Elite:
Platoon Comander
Command Squad
Command Squad
Special Weapons Squad - 3 plasma guns, 3 lasgun

Infantry:
All special weapons.

Heavy:
Manticore Stombolters

HQ:
Primaris Psyker
Master of Ordinance

Move to Spear head:
Company Commander with shotgun, Grand Strategist, Kurov's Aquila

Saves you 344 points

Now for your brigade

Add
HQ:
Elsyian Company Commander 40
Elsyian Company Commander 40

Elite:
Elysian Special Weapon Team 3 plasma 3 lasguns: 51
Elysian Special Weapon Team 3 plasma 3 lasguns: 51
Elysian Command Squad 4 Plasma: 80
Elysian Command Squad 4 Plasma: 80

Total: 342

Gives you 5 more plasma over what you currently have. And they can deep strike were you want. You do lose your cadian reroll ones but given the flamers on the Sentinels and the removal of most special weapons its not really a loss except for maybe Pask. You do lose 4 lascanons but I think the extra plasma more then make up for it.

Also if you want to save a few more points you can switch the mortars to Elysians or DKoK to make each squad 3 points cheaper.

If you play heavy blocking terrain this list will rock. Pretty good. Your indirect fire will punch holes in his screens turn 1 then turn 2 you can drop you 12 deep striking units to really screw with him.

Where does the commander get a shotgun from?

Fair points on the command squads. I do think Pask, if hidden out of line of sight and moving out in my first turn or after their first turn, can really dent an attacking force to the point of no return so I'm recalcitrant to take him out or drop the cadian doctrine.

I've worked out a few updates, and tried to squeeze more infantry in. The idea being to keep all vehicles out of LOS to deny LOS enemy tank weapons targets.I have enough out of LOS weapons to punish in a beta strike, with a plasma drop for opportunistic targets in turn 2.

Cadian Brigade
HQ
Knight Commander Pask - Punisher, Stormbolter, lascannon, 2 Heavy bolters 235 
Company Commander with shotgun, Grand Strategist, Kurov's Aquila 30 
Company Commander with shotgun 30 


Troops
Infantry squad - lascannon, plasma gun, boltgun 68 
Infantry squad - lascannon, plasma gun, boltgun 68 
Infantry squad - lascannon, plasma gun, boltgun 68 
Infantry squad - lascannon, plasma gun, boltgun 68 
Infantry Squad - plasma gun, heavy bolter, chainsword + laspistol 55 
Infantry Squad - plasma gun, heavy bolter, chainsword + laspistol 55 
Infantry Squad - plasma gun, chainsword + laspistol 47 
Infantry Squad - plasma gun, chainsword + laspistol 47 

Elites
Commissar with bolt pistol
Special Weapons Squad - 3 plasma guns, 3 lasguns 45 
Platoon commander

Fast Attack
Scout sentinel with heavy flamer 52 
Scout sentinel with heavy flamer 52 
Scout sentinel with heavy flamer 52 

Heavy Support
Mortar HWS 33 
Mortar HWS 33 
Mortar HWS 33 

Catachan Spearhead
HQ
Primaris Psyker with Force Stave 46 

Heavy Support
Manticore - heavy bolter, stormbolter 145 
Manticore - heavy bolter, stormbolter 145 
Manticore - heavy bolter, stormbolter 145 

Militarum Tempestus Battalion
HQ
Tempestor Prime - command rod, chainsword 45 
Tempestor Prime - command rod, chainsword 45 

Troops
Scions - x 5 - plasma pistol, 2 plasma guns, 2 hot shot lasguns 78 
Scions - x 5 - plasma pistol, 2 plasma guns, 2 hot shot lasguns 78 
Scions - x 5 - plasma pistol, 2 plasma guns, 2 hot shot lasguns 78 

Elites
Scion command squad - 4 plasma 88 

Total: 2000

So about all those units that are supposed to stay out of sight, it's rare that there's room on the board to hide a russ, 3 manticores, and 3 heavy weapon squads out of sight.

But suppose you could. And you manage to set it up so that Pask can pop out and shoot on turn 1. But his big gun is only range 24". His target options will be limited. If you must take him, give him longer range guns.

And you're wasting BS 2+ on heavy bolters? Give him plasma cannons, says I.

Here's a thought for you: Since you don't need scout sentinels turn 1 anymore with the FAQ, you can run some infantry squads forward on turn 1 to do that job. For 8 points each, you can upgrade your scout sentinels to armored sentinels with lascannons.

Big picture, I have a lot of similar things going over at my list. I guess every guard list going forward will have mortars, 60+ infantry, some company commanders, scion-style folks, and the main difference will be what toys we bring on top of that core. The good news is that this core I described is still only about 1000 points.