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Subject says it all. I've had some pretty decent success in small friendly games with a Culexus +Libby/Greyfax/Voldus, but was wondering if anyone had more experience with it and if there are many other players using that combo. I haven't seen it played in my area and not even on batreps. Obviously doesn't mean as much if you're not facing psykers, but still. Thanks.

I use Tiggy and a Culexus. They practically never even see each other except for my case.

Denies become a lot easier when the enemy has a -2 to their roll.
Not much else to say.

That would make your army not battle forge after the FaQ I think? They don't have a common keyword outside "Imperium".

You need to run it in multiple detachments now.

I think it's become pretty difficult to field assassins. Don't you have to go for either 1 as an auxiliary or 3+ as a vanguard? Gives you either -1 or 0 CPs.

That said, maybe taking the -1 CP hit for an auxiliary detachment isn't such a big deal, now we're getting 5 for each battalion.

Ive faced them recently often with Grey knights who bring an additional -1 to casting.
In the area they are in casting is allmost zero against grey knights.

You get a -3 to cast and grey knights get a +1 to dispel... that is HUGE!

Killing them is also difficult except with flamers when even smites dont work on them.

Mandragola wrote:
I think it's become pretty difficult to field assassins. Don't you have to go for either 1 as an auxiliary or 3+ as a vanguard? Gives you either -1 or 0 CPs.

That said, maybe taking the -1 CP hit for an auxiliary detachment isn't such a big deal, now we're getting 5 for each battalion.

Biggest issue than the -1CP is going to be it costing one of the 3 detachments you can soup up with.

Per the new FAQ, you can now take a vanguard detachment with no HQ that contains assassins, legion of the damned, or sisters of silence. The detachment is 0 CP.

So it's actually easier now to include an assassin, just add the detachment with one or more assassins to the army and no CP penalty. But it still uses up one of your detachments.

It uses a detachment and means you need to bring 3 minimum. I wouldn't call that easier then before by any means.

You have to bring three of some kind of Imperium elite, not necessarily assassins.

Astropaths? Park them out of LoS at the middle of the board and use them to deny the powers that the Culexus is causing -2 on.

 Flavius Infernus wrote:
You have to bring three of some kind of Imperium elite, not necessarily assassins.

Astropaths? Park them out of LoS at the middle of the board and use them to deny the powers that the Culexus is causing -2 on.

Nope, because you can't use "imperium" as the keyword for your detachment any more. They've removed the requirement for an HQ so that you can still field these units at all outside of auxiliary detachments.

You can field 3 assassins, 3 units of sisters of silence and/or 3 units of LotD - but they would each need to be in separate detachments.

As a marine player I don't get all that close to the detachment limit, so fielding an auxiliary isn't too big a problem. And to be honest the deep strike nerfs seriously reduce the effectiveness of most assassins, so I doubt I'd be using them for long. A vindicare or Culexus might still be handy, as these are pretty happy to start in your deployment zone.

 Flavius Infernus wrote:
You have to bring three of some kind of Imperium elite, not necessarily assassins.

Astropaths? Park them out of LoS at the middle of the board and use them to deny the powers that the Culexus is causing -2 on.

Battle Brothers means all units in a detachment need to share a keyword that is not Imperium
Sisters of Silence and Assassins do not share a keyword outside of Imperium.
The added rule only allows you to ignore the HQ requirement on a Vanguard. You still all need to share a keyword.

Mandragola wrote:

 Flavius Infernus wrote:
You have to bring three of some kind of Imperium elite, not necessarily assassins.

Astropaths? Park them out of LoS at the middle of the board and use them to deny the powers that the Culexus is causing -2 on.

Nope, because you can't use "imperium" as the keyword for your detachment any more. They've removed the requirement for an HQ so that you can still field these units at all outside of auxiliary detachments.

You can field 3 assassins, 3 units of sisters of silence and/or 3 units of LotD - but they would each need to be in separate detachments.

As a marine player I don't get all that close to the detachment limit, so fielding an auxiliary isn't too big a problem. And to be honest the deep strike nerfs seriously reduce the effectiveness of most assassins, so I doubt I'd be using them for long. A vindicare or Culexus might still be handy, as these are pretty happy to start in your deployment zone.

Bummer

The issue of not losing a CP was where I stumbled across using a Detachment led by Greyfax. She is a pretty awesome unit for the points, and I can group her with assassins. Never hurts to have 1 or 2 Eversors around, another awesome unit for the points. Was making a "Psyker Kill Team" that was Voldus, Greyfax, and round it out to just over 500pts with Culexi and Eversors. Either 2 Culexi and 1 Eversor or vice versa. Seems hella fluffy to boot. Intended to screw with Chaos but works pretty darn well vs. Nids too. I really need to playtest it more though.

Can you even make a detachment with inquisitors and assassins together anymore?

Assassins only have the Imperium and Officio Assassinorum keywords. So that means now they can only ever be auxilliary, or a detachment with other assassins only?

(And this is kind of a side issue, but does this mean inquisitors can now only be in detachments with other inquisitors, acolytes, and space monkeys?)

How does that follow GW's stated purpose of making it easier to take assassins?

Or am I misunderstanding how the new rule works?

 Flavius Infernus wrote:
Can you even make a detachment with inquisitors and assassins together anymore?

Assassins only have the Imperium and Officio Assassinorum keywords. So that means now they can only ever be auxilliary, or a detachment with other assassins only?

(And this is kind of a side issue, but does this mean inquisitors can now only be in detachments with other inquisitors, acolytes, and space monkeys?)

How does that follow GW's stated purpose of making it easier to take assassins?

Or am I misunderstanding how the new rule works?

GW has not said its easier to take assassins.
And yes you have the rules correct.

You're understanding it correctly. A detachment of Greyfax, Voldus and some assassins would not be legal now, under the proposed rules.

Note that this part of the rules are in "beta" form. Personally I think that Inquisitors ought to be able to join any detachment, without breaking things like chapter tactics and regimental doctrines, as part of the "authority of the inquisition" rule. I'd say that right now it's definitely not worth bringing an inquisitor right now. if you need to "spend" one of your detachments to do so.

Mandragola wrote:
You're understanding it correctly. A detachment of Greyfax, Voldus and some assassins would not be legal now, under the proposed rules.

Note that this part of the rules are in "beta" form. Personally I think that Inquisitors ought to be able to join any detachment, without breaking things like chapter tactics and regimental doctrines, as part of the "authority of the inquisition" rule. I'd say that right now it's definitely not worth bringing an inquisitor right now. if you need to "spend" one of your detachments to do so.

I like that a lot actually, and yes I'm a bit behind on the latest rules, still working from the 8th Core book like a sucker. Good lord it's hard to keep up.

 Ordana wrote:

 Flavius Infernus wrote:
Can you even make a detachment with inquisitors and assassins together anymore?

Assassins only have the Imperium and Officio Assassinorum keywords. So that means now they can only ever be auxilliary, or a detachment with other assassins only?

(And this is kind of a side issue, but does this mean inquisitors can now only be in detachments with other inquisitors, acolytes, and space monkeys?)

How does that follow GW's stated purpose of making it easier to take assassins?

Or am I misunderstanding how the new rule works?

GW has not said its easier to take assassins.
And yes you have the rules correct.

I understood the following quote from the FAQ as saying they wanted to make it easier to take assassins (among other currently difficult-to-include units):

There are a few units in certain Index books that would be dif cult to include in a matched play army following these restrictions, so we have written errata to enable players to more easily include these units in their army.

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Battle Brothers is a beta rule, but the Errata that allows the vanguard detachment with no HQ is not beta.

Giving more things an inquisition keyword would solve the problem.

Good point. The rule letting you include them is a "full" rule, to get around a problem in the beta rules.

For now, if not using the beta rules, things are easier. You've got the option of the 3 assassin (or whatever) detachment without needing an HQ. And if playing the beta rules you can actually use them, outside of auxiliary support detachments.