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Despite claims I cannot for the life of me see how soup lists aside from the obscure oversight lists (inquisitors, ministorum etc...) have been heavily hampered at all. Most soup lists i've seen tend to already make full detachments from one particular faction and with the CP buff for batallion/brigades soup lists will still be effective as you can get board control and cp for few points to make up for an elite armies shortcomings.

Below is my proposed method of making soup less dominating

Make it so that the cp generated by detachments can only be used by other detachments that have the same faction keyword (right down to the different codex factions)

Fig. 1


3 freebees

AM Brigade +12CP

Ultramarines Supreme command +1CP

Raven Guard Vanguard +1CP

In this instance the freebees can be used by any detachment but the additional CP for each detachment can only be used by units in that detachment. If 2 detachments share a codex but have different faction names (Raven guard vs Ultramarines) then when using a strategem you must target a unit from the same detachment that the cp is generated from. For the general strategems you must use the CP from the detachment you want the strategem to affect. In this example the AM has 12 + 3 cp, the Ultramarines have 1 +3 and the raven guard have 1 +3


Fig.2


3cp freebees

AM Cadia brigade +12cp

AM Cadia Battalion +5cp

AM Steel Legion Spearhead.+1cp


In this example because the brigade and batallion are both Cadian the cp can be used interchangably between the detachments so any Cadia unit can use 17 cp for strategems.

For units that allow regaining command points the regained command points are allocated to the faction that the unit/strategem with the ability. For example if my warlord from Fig.2 has Kirovs aquilia and is in the Spearhead detachment any command points he recovers can only be used by the steel legion batallion.

If a strategem from a codex can target a unit not within that codex (e.g daemon codex soul sacrifice on a CSM character) then the cp must come from the targeted unit detachment. (in this case CSM detachment that has said character)

if a strategem targets an enemy unit (e.g steel mind iron logic) then the cp can be taken from any detachment that has the appropriate keywords to use the strategem.

I like the idea, but it adds a lot of book keeping.