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2018/04/21 19:51:57
Subject: Can an empty want serpant capture a strategic point?
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Been Around the Block
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If it's on its own and has nothing inside it does it count as one unit?
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2018/04/21 19:58:56
Subject: Can an empty want serpant capture a strategic point?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Yes? Why would it not.
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2018/04/21 20:01:10
Subject: Can an empty want serpant capture a strategic point?
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Norn Queen
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Sy2pie wrote:If it's on its own and has nothing inside it does it count as one unit?
Why would it not count as a unit. I am confused. Is there a reason you would think it cannot?
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2018/04/21 20:10:07
Subject: Can an empty want serpant capture a strategic point?
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Been Around the Block
Cambridge UK
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I was told this at the Warhammer club I was playing. I'm a newbie.
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2018/04/21 20:22:39
Subject: Can an empty want serpant capture a strategic point?
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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Sy2pie wrote:I was told this at the Warhammer club I was playing. I'm a newbie.
They must be thinking about, and misapplying, this rule from Chapter Approved:
"Boots on the Ground
When determining which player controls an objective marker, exclude all units that have the Flyer Battlefield Role – these units can never control objective markers."
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2018/04/21 20:28:31
Subject: Can an empty want serpant capture a strategic point?
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
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Yes, perhaps DeathReaper is right.
However a Wave Serpent isn't a Flyer, it's a Designated Transport - so you are fine 
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2018/04/21 20:35:31
Subject: Can an empty want serpant capture a strategic point?
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Norn Queen
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Sy2pie wrote:I was told this at the Warhammer club I was playing. I'm a newbie.
Fair enough. They are wrong. As stated they might be thinking of the Flyer battlefield role. That's not the same as the FLY keyword.
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2018/04/21 21:08:08
Subject: Can an empty want serpant capture a strategic point?
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Been Around the Block
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Thanks very much chaps. I had another dispute over the wave serpant with Serpant Shields.
If you roll a 1 and it fails. Can you try again later in the game? Or is that it used up?
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2018/04/21 21:10:13
Subject: Can an empty want serpant capture a strategic point?
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Norn Queen
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Sy2pie wrote:Thanks very much chaps. I had another dispute over the wave serpant with Serpant Shields. If you roll a 1 and it fails. Can you try again later in the game? Or is that it used up?
It's used up. Once you use it, The Wave Serpent then gains no benefit from this ability for the remainder of the battle." The rule doesn't care if you inflicted mortal wounds or not. You're better off saving it for when you think the Serpent is going to die anyway next turn or if there is nothing that can cause more than 1 damage able to shoot it.
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2018/04/21 21:11:16
Subject: Can an empty want serpant capture a strategic point?
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Been Around the Block
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 Silentz wrote:Yes, perhaps DeathReaper is right.
However a Wave Serpent isn't a Flyer, it's a Designated Transport - so you are fine
Ok thanks. Aren't jet bikes flyers (fly key word)? I'm sure they can hold points.
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2018/04/21 21:24:46
Subject: Can an empty want serpant capture a strategic point?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Having th3 fly keyword isn't important
It needs to have the flyer *battlefield role* vex things like troops, elite etc.
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2018/04/21 21:25:46
Subject: Can an empty want serpant capture a strategic point?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Sy2pie wrote: Silentz wrote:Yes, perhaps DeathReaper is right.
However a Wave Serpent isn't a Flyer, it's a Designated Transport - so you are fine
Ok thanks. Aren't jet bikes flyers (fly key word)? I'm sure they can hold points.
The FLY keyword and the Flyer Battlefielf role are not the same thing. Flyers have FLY; not all things with FLY are Flyers.
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 Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
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2018/04/21 21:27:59
Subject: Can an empty want serpant capture a strategic point?
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Norn Queen
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Sy2pie wrote: Silentz wrote:Yes, perhaps DeathReaper is right. However a Wave Serpent isn't a Flyer, it's a Designated Transport - so you are fine
Ok thanks. Aren't jet bikes flyers (fly key word)? I'm sure they can hold points.
The Flyer Battlefield Role is not the same as the FLY keyword. All Flyers (so far and AFAIK, not a requirement though) can FLY, but not everything with FLY is a Flyer. Jetbikes (eldar ones anyway) are Fast Attack Battlefield Role iirc.
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2018/04/21 21:37:24
Subject: Can an empty want serpant capture a strategic point?
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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 JohnnyHell wrote:
The FLY keyword and the Flyer Battlefielf role are not the same thing. Flyers have FLY; not all things with FLY are Flyers.
This is not the first time I've seen this confusing newbies. They should have named the Flyer battlefield role 'Air Support' or something like that to avoid confusion.
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2018/04/22 08:29:55
Subject: Can an empty want serpant capture a strategic point?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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 Crimson wrote: JohnnyHell wrote:
The FLY keyword and the Flyer Battlefielf role are not the same thing. Flyers have FLY; not all things with FLY are Flyers.
This is not the first time I've seen this confusing newbies. They should have named the Flyer battlefield role 'Air Support' or something like that to avoid confusion.
Agreed. It’s one time where simple and colloquial can cause an issue. It is spelt out but I can see the confusion.
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
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