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2018/04/22 01:47:35
Subject: Can a Walking Hive Tyrant be equipped with four Monstrous Boneswords?
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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From what I read in the Codex, it appears that it can. But, the wording is a little vague in he rule. Can a Walking Hive Tyrant be equipped with four Monstous Boneswords?
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SG
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40K - T'au Empire
Kill Team - T'au Empire, Death Guard
Warhammer Underworlds - Garrek’s Reavers
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2018/04/22 01:49:29
Subject: Can a Walking Hive Tyrant be equipped with four Monstrous Boneswords?
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Norn Queen
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ServiceGames wrote:From what I read in the Codex, it appears that it can. But, the wording is a little vague in he rule. Can a Walking Hive Tyrant be equipped with four Monstous Boneswords? Thanks SG
As far as I can tell you're capped at 2? Where did you get the idea of 4 from? Also why specify Walking when wings don't affect your weapon choices at all? And even if you could why would you want to? Unlike Chainswords you don't get multiple bonus attacks for having multiples. Whether you have 1 or 16 Boneswords you still only get 1 bonus attack.
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2018/04/22 01:56:55
Subject: Can a Walking Hive Tyrant be equipped with four Monstrous Boneswords?
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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“A Hive Tyrant may replace both pairs of monstrous scything talons with two items from the Monstrous Bio-cannons or two items from the Monstrous Bio-weapons list, or with one item from each list.”
Monstrous Boneswords is listed as a single item in the Monstrous Bio-weapons list. So, if I can choose two items from the Monstrous Bio-weapons lost, I should be able to take two “Monstrous Boneswords” (meaning two sets of two for a total of four).
SG
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40K - T'au Empire
Kill Team - T'au Empire, Death Guard
Warhammer Underworlds - Garrek’s Reavers
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2018/04/22 02:01:17
Subject: Can a Walking Hive Tyrant be equipped with four Monstrous Boneswords?
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Norn Queen
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ServiceGames wrote:“A Hive Tyrant may replace both pairs of monstrous scything talons with two items from the Monstrous Bio-cannons or two items from the Monstrous Bio-weapons list, or with one item from each list.” Monstrous Boneswords is listed as a single item in the Monstrous Bio-weapons list. So, if I can choose two items from the Monstrous Bio-weapons lost, I should be able to take two “Monstrous Boneswords” (meaning two sets of two for a total of four). SG
No, you don't swap them for a Pair of Boneswords, you get one weapon, called "Boneswords". It might take up two arms on the model, but it's still 1 weapon system. You're limited to two weapon choices, period. You start with two Pairs of Monstrous Scything Talons (which are technically 4 weapons, true) but you must swap them out as pairs for other weapons. And like I said, even if you could do it, it would simply be a waste of points because you don't get any extra attacks from it. Think of it like swapping a pair of Bolt Pistols for a Lascannon. You don't get 2 Lascannons just because you had 2 Bolt Pistols.
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2018/04/22 02:04:48
Subject: Can a Walking Hive Tyrant be equipped with four Monstrous Boneswords?
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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So, you’re still carrying two Monstrous Boneswords weapons systems. If each weapon system takes two arms to hold, then you’re holding one Bonesword in each of four open arms for a total of four even if it only counts as two weapons, right?
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SG
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40K - T'au Empire
Kill Team - T'au Empire, Death Guard
Warhammer Underworlds - Garrek’s Reavers
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2018/04/22 02:05:32
Subject: Can a Walking Hive Tyrant be equipped with four Monstrous Boneswords?
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Norn Queen
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ServiceGames wrote:So, you’re still carrying two Monstrous Boneswords weapons systems. If each weapon system takes two arms to hold, then you’re holding one Bonesword in each of four open arms for a total of four even if it only counts as two weapons, right? Thanks SG
Right. Regardless of how you model them, "Boneswords" is a single weapon that needs you to swap a pair of talons out for. But as I said, waste of points regardless because you don't get more than 1 bonus attack.
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2018/04/22 02:43:00
Subject: Can a Walking Hive Tyrant be equipped with four Monstrous Boneswords?
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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Yeah and the crucial point here is - unless the weapon specifically says it - you don't get bonus attacks for have multiples of a weapon.
Also - the flying hive tyrant can still take 2 selections from the wargear section even though it's wings on the model technically take up the space for a pair of arms.
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2018/04/22 07:54:36
Subject: Can a Walking Hive Tyrant be equipped with four Monstrous Boneswords?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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May as well just make the Swarmlord.
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules" |
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2018/04/22 15:22:08
Subject: Can a Walking Hive Tyrant be equipped with four Monstrous Boneswords?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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It’s entirely possible that TC did build a Swarmlord but for the sake of WYSIWYG and saving about 100(ish) points, he’s probably asking if this is a legal build. I don’t have my codex in front of me but BattleScribe does not allow you to do that build but I know first hand BS isn’t always correct either.
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2018/04/22 21:34:20
Subject: Can a Walking Hive Tyrant be equipped with four Monstrous Boneswords?
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Norn Queen
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Crazy Jay wrote:
It’s entirely possible that TC did build a Swarmlord but for the sake of WYSIWYG and saving about 100(ish) points, he’s probably asking if this is a legal build. I don’t have my codex in front of me but BattleScribe does not allow you to do that build but I know first hand BS isn’t always correct either.
From my interactions with the BS 40k people, I know a lot of the maintainers have decided (for some bizzare reason) to contradict the rules for "convenience" sake or to not "confuse" people. For example, not allowing two boneswords to be taken because they provide no benefit, giving some models free chainswords by default and not including Daemons in the CSM entries despite the Daemon and CSM daemons being subtly different.
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2018/04/23 09:16:27
Subject: Can a Walking Hive Tyrant be equipped with four Monstrous Boneswords?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Probably helps if you don't call them 'liars', 'sloppy', 'insular', 'hostile', 'feedback-phobic' and 'lazy' in your 'interactions'. Seems you approach things there much as you do here. No wonder they haven't much time for your input.
It does seem odd to not allow this combo but it has no in-game benefit so I can see why people volunteering their time might not consider it a top of their to-do list fix. You can always add up your own points on a quick spreadsheet if BattleScribe won't let you make the build you want.
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules" |
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2018/04/23 10:21:22
Subject: Re:Can a Walking Hive Tyrant be equipped with four Monstrous Boneswords?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I think it's exactly the same situation with Lash Whip and Monstrous Bonesword. Technically you could take two sets of those, but it offers no benefit. And Battlescribe doesn't allow it, even though the codex does.
Battlescribe DOES allow you to select a set of Boneswords and a Lash Whip and Monstrous Bonesword, thus making it three swords in total.
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2018/04/23 12:11:04
Subject: Re:Can a Walking Hive Tyrant be equipped with four Monstrous Boneswords?
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Witch Hunter in the Shadows
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Zodfrey wrote:I think it's exactly the same situation with Lash Whip and Monstrous Bonesword. Technically you could take two sets of those, but it offers no benefit. And Battlescribe doesn't allow it, even though the codex does.
Battlescribe DOES allow you to select a set of Boneswords and a Lash Whip and Monstrous Bonesword, thus making it three swords in total.
Well, that makes sense since it allows you to benefit from both options.
And yeah, for some reason people are uncooperative if you abuse them. No idea why though, I'd try shouting "Re" in as loud, long and high a voice as you can. That should get those lazy devs to work properly. After all you're doing them a favor by providing important feedback. For free!
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2018/04/23 14:31:17
Subject: Can a Walking Hive Tyrant be equipped with four Monstrous Boneswords?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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never understood why people put like "SG" at the end of their posts.
I mean you know we can literally see your profile name next to the post?
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2018/04/23 16:09:54
Subject: Can a Walking Hive Tyrant be equipped with four Monstrous Boneswords?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Imperial Knight
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Jacob29 wrote:never understood why people put like " SG" at the end of their posts.
I mean you know we can literally see your profile name next to the post?
Some people sign off on their posts with their initials, nickname or BYE as a trademark or the like, it is not as uncommon as it may seem.
This is not the topic for discussing it though.
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2018/04/23 19:22:04
Subject: Can a Walking Hive Tyrant be equipped with four Monstrous Boneswords?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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BaconCatBug wrote:Crazy Jay wrote:
It’s entirely possible that TC did build a Swarmlord but for the sake of WYSIWYG and saving about 100(ish) points, he’s probably asking if this is a legal build. I don’t have my codex in front of me but BattleScribe does not allow you to do that build but I know first hand BS isn’t always correct either.
From my interactions with the BS 40k people, I know a lot of the maintainers have decided (for some bizzare reason) to contradict the rules for "convenience" sake or to not "confuse" people. For example, not allowing two boneswords to be taken because they provide no benefit, giving some models free chainswords by default and not including Daemons in the CSM entries despite the Daemon and CSM daemons being subtly different.
You clearly have not taken the least amount of time to actually look at the backend structure of BS and tried to understand how the logic used there affects unit selection UX. not to mention the data editor has its own set of quirks that the data maintainers have to work around until they can be fixed.
Calling people sloppy without taking the time to understand why a certain thing might be a certain way isn't just ignorant, it's rude.
Also the CSM and CD entries are exactly the same, as each have been updated with errata on release of the Daemons codex. your wilful ignorance of the fact does not make other people "sloppy" quite the opposite.
In this particular case though, yes there is obviously a bug with the weapon selection, and I have a feeling I know why. Not my catalog but I'll give the tyranid maintainer a poke and raise an issue.
edit: And just like that, hey, its fixed! (and will be out with the next release) To anyone else reading the thread, suggesting selection method changes IS a thing you can bug report, but won't always be possible.
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2018/04/23 21:23:01
Subject: Can a Walking Hive Tyrant be equipped with four Monstrous Boneswords?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Thanks, WindstormSCR! Keep up the good work and don’t let the bugs get you down.
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules" |
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