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Glad to have this show back and wasn’t dissapointed.
A great first episode.
Pros:
-Everybody acting in this is great. Man in Black was as menacing as ever, Bernard has new mysteries to unfold, Dolores was beautifully twisted, Maeve still super driven and and her newest erstwhile human henchman Lee was hilarious.
-New, briefly mentioned revelations about data collection at the park raise some serious questions about the purpose of the park.
Spoiler:
Info and DNA of park customers is being collected, I doubt for any thing other than nefarious purposes. Theory: Replacing wealthy customers in the real world with hosts, to control and manipulate the worlds wealthiest?
-Despite unanswered questions from last season, topped with some new mysteries, along with apparently new separate timelines, all that info doesn’t seem overwhelming. IMO, this is a tightly written show.
-I haven’t been paying too much attention to the pre launch trailer buildups, but the trailers I saw used mostly footage from this episode, which I greatly appreciate. I’m sure its been parsed out and over-analyzed by superfans, but I love minimalist trailers that don’t reveal a whole lot. Most likely a concious decision by the show producers, as the show banks heavily on its mysteries.
Cons:
- Lab Security teams still seem like they were recruited from the bottom tier of Star Wars Stormtroopers and Star Trek Redshirts. On the flip side, the team inside the park looks very professional, ruthless and proficient (so far) though. Makes me wonder if the ineptitude of the lab security team is intentional.
- Still no word about the inquisitive female lab tech Elsie who was presumably killed by Bernard last season. I thought she’d be with Stubbs. Maybe she is dead.
- No Anthony Hopkins, aside from a brief decaying cameo.
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"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
- No Anthony Hopkins, aside from a brief decaying cameo.
Thats not quite true...
Spoiler:
Ford spoke to William through a pre-recorded message programmed into the boy Host from Ford's secret Host family. I'm guessing that he has left more messages, and/or fragments of his psyche programmed into various Hosts. I think we haven't seen the last of Ford, even if it is just going to be post-mortem messages and clues that he recorded prior to his death.
Or maybe...Ford had a backup plan, to download his own conciousness into a Host.
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Ya, was going to mention that, but it wasn't him physically or his voice.
"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
- Still no word about the inquisitive female lab tech Elsie who was presumably killed by Bernard last season. I thought she’d be with Stubbs. Maybe she is dead.
I think she wasn't even in the credits so either she's gone or maybe will be a guest (actor) for a few episodes but not a regular one.
Spoiler:
The data collection might be nefarious or it might be an example of boring regular corporate vacuuming of all possible data. Just in case if they later find another way of profiting from it.
During one scene a host was repairing another host's wounds with a blowtorch. I was thinking man, don't these hosts get shot up pretty much every night previously? How do they usually fix them?
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Really good first episode - lots happening and interesting threads beginning.
Highlights
Everything with Maeve and Lee
Ed Harris just getting back into the game and Child Host/Ford
Could do with some more Talulah Riley
Agree about the data collection theories.
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Ouze wrote: During one scene a host was repairing another host's wounds with a blowtorch. I was thinking man, don't these hosts get shot up pretty much every night previously? How do they usually fix them?
They have a much larger one that they can use on multiple people at once. What you saw was just a small one for minor detailing. The bigger one has a much bigger fla..... healing ray and you have to wear this big tank on the back. The healing ray is so strong it can even incin..... revive dead tissue or create new tissue from nothing.
But it is definitely not a big flamethrower. Definitely not. (Or a giant oven)
edit: lol where instead of wear I am the greatest
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This was a good episode, though if you were paying attention to the “previously on Westworld!” Clip, it was pretty easy to deduce what the big reveal would be.
The host drones creep me out, it was neat seeing the MiB watching on (and seemingly reflecting on)as his own violent acts were played out by the Confeds, and the interactions between William and Delos during the testing were awesome.
"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
I've got a theory...that new (Human) Guest, who was introduced this Season in the Raj Park, seems to be on a mission of her own searching for the secrets of the Park, much like William is. Perhaps she is William's daughter, looking to uncover the same secrets that her father has spent decades of his life chasing.
Spoiler:
EDIT: aaaaaaaand I was right. (I posted the above comment when I was halfway through the episode).
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Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: I've got a theory...that new (Human) Guest, who was introduced this Season in the Raj Park, seems to be on a mission of her own searching for the secrets of the Park, much like William is. Perhaps she is William's daughter, looking to uncover the same secrets that her father has spent decades of his life chasing.
Spoiler:
EDIT: aaaaaaaand I was right. (I posted the above comment when I was halfway through the episode).
Spoiler:
I made that same guess as an offhanded remark to someone, then was like "YEEAH BOI." when I was right.
All in all a fairly solid Episode, past and present Bill continue to be my favorites.
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I’m losing track of the timeline and mildly annoyed by that, but that is kind of their shtick. Non-linear story telling is just a general pet peeve of mine.
Hulksmash wrote: It's a little to bouncy from Arnold's perspective honestly. Makes it a pure pain in his place. The rest I don't really have any issues with.
Ya, was going to say the same thing yesterday but the boss was walking through my area.
Its a bit excessive with Arnold, particularly that it sometimes happens in conjunction with real time. I'm sure it will all get wrapped up neatly though.
"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
AduroT wrote: I’m losing track of the timeline and mildly annoyed by that, but that is kind of their shtick. Non-linear story telling is just a general pet peeve of mine.
I'm having the same problem, but I think that's deliberate - given that we were going to be wise to the time-jumping this time around, they made it a central feature rather than hiding it, and I think the difficulty picking which timeline you're currently in is supposed to mirror Bernard's confusion.
Shogun World was neat. Hopefully we delve deeper into it next week.
The park for people who want it more hardcore than whats on offer in Westworld! Also loved the borrowed storylines, like the attack on the geishas house that was a carbon copy of the attack on Maeve's brothel. Will be interesting to see how those characters interact, but I'm worried the show will get bloated unless more folks bite it soon.
Also, after looking at some stills from this episode, my boy Teddy got some serious reprogramming after Dolores betrayed him. He's about to become alot different.
"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
We enjoyed the episode but felt it was a bit filler until the end - especially after last weeks, loved
Spoiler:
"Hey dad"
It started well, and the whole "that's us" was good but took a bit long for Mave to take control.
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Well, you got to see a few more minutes of him til he saw off the main group!
In this episode, I liked how Teddy has changed. Great turn by James Marsden, subtle changes in posture, tone and facial expression showed that something else was in control. There seemed to be an implication that he knew and resented Dolores because of the change, but I might have read too much into their exchanges.
A great moment between William and his daughter was ruined by the the tired “took our equipment, kit, and horses and bolted before you woke” trope. Who is that deep of a sleeper? I guess there is no redemption for William, or his mission is of extreme importance. Maybe both.
Another security team appears!? I don’t think they are long for this world though, with Dolores and Co. making their way out.
Also, that ending shot!
There were moments in this episode where my interest faltered, but I’m pretty damn excited for next episode.
"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
Well, you got to see a few more minutes of him til he saw off the main group!
In this episode, I liked how Teddy has changed. Great turn by James Marsden, subtle changes in posture, tone and facial expression showed that something else was in control. There seemed to be an implication that he knew and resented Dolores because of the change, but I might have read too much into their exchanges.
A great moment between William and his daughter was ruined by the the tired “took our equipment, kit, and horses and bolted before you woke” trope. Who is that deep of a sleeper? I guess there is no redemption for William, or his mission is of extreme importance. Maybe both.
Another security team appears!? I don’t think they are long for this world though, with Dolores and Co. making their way out.
Also, that ending shot!
There were moments in this episode where my interest faltered, but I’m pretty damn excited for next episode.
It was good episode and enjoyed lots of it.
Lots of things I am trying to work out:
Is William in a host body - he was shot twice by the confederalies and hardly flinched. Was it a intentional mistake to see if his "daughter" was a host about the elephants or an issue with "fidelity" or just a memory slip.
Is the whole thing a "story" by Ford and everyone is a host! Or even just a simulation.
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
nels1031 wrote: In this episode, I liked how Teddy has changed. Great turn by James Marsden, subtle changes in posture, tone and facial expression showed that something else was in control. There seemed to be an implication that he knew and resented Dolores because of the change, but I might have read too much into their exchanges.
Oh, I definitely thought that. Which is a more interesting choice than to just have him be a cliched angry murder-bot.
While I know some people are allergic to non-linear storytelling, I think it's a great tool when used well, and I really like how it's been embraced and used differently by these writers this season since it can't be the 'twist' anymore.
Well, you got to see a few more minutes of him til he saw off the main group!
I really hope that they come back, because otherwise its a waste of a great actor on what is essentially a long cameo.
In this episode, I liked how Teddy has changed. Great turn by James Marsden, subtle changes in posture, tone and facial expression showed that something else was in control. There seemed to be an implication that he knew and resented Dolores because of the change, but I might have read too much into their exchanges.
A great moment between William and his daughter was ruined by the the tired “took our equipment, kit, and horses and bolted before you woke” trope. Who is that deep of a sleeper? I guess there is no redemption for William, or his mission is of extreme importance. Maybe both.
Another security team appears!? I don’t think they are long for this world though, with Dolores and Co. making their way out.
Also, that ending shot!
There were moments in this episode where my interest faltered, but I’m pretty damn excited for next episode.
Teddy stuff was good, I also got the feeling that he resented the change or at least knew of it.
Agree with William and his Daughter, I would have like to have seen him agree to take her to the point, after finishing his mission.
Security Team might bite the big one, but considering that Charlotte is still alive by the time the Main Force is back, and still holding the Plateau I think they might win.
Well, you got to see a few more minutes of him til he saw off the main group!
I really hope that they come back, because otherwise its a waste of a great actor on what is essentially a long cameo..
Well, they wasted Giancarlo Esposito in less than 3 minutes, so I’m not holding out any hope for his return. Would love to be wrong though!
"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
Well, after this latest episode, I'm officially confused!
Still enjoying the show though.
Other than the horndog security guard and Telulah Riley's character: "Hey I was just killing all your fellow hosts and I may have just shot you a moment ago, but you got a nice pair, so lets get friendly. Nothing bad will happen if we do the nasty!"
I mean I get it, its Telulah Riley, but priorities my dude!
"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
