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From CBC

I hope all our T-dot Dakkanaughts are safe.

I live like 10 minutes away from this intersection. I suppose it was only a matter of time before something like this happened in Toronto. My heart goes out to the families of the people who died.

Death toll up to ten now. :(

The Auld Grump

And suspect info is in...he's a member of the Incel community and was hoping for Death By Cop.

This is going to spur a ton of debate. Between being part of an unpopular and mostly 'white male' community and the fact that the Candian Polic Officer managed to avoid shooting his butt, I suspect my facebook feed is going to explode.

*checks* Yes. Yes it is.

Did they confirm the incel thing? All I saw was vague pictures taken of a monitor instead of even a screenshot. Tragic that so many people died because of another idiot with some grudge against the world.

If the incel thing is true, between this and the US case can't wait for a new terrorist watchlist.

I haven't seen the incel thing confirmed, and what I have seen is pretty shaky evidence. We will see what the investigation turns up.

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
I live like 10 minutes away from this intersection. I suppose it was only a matter of time before something like this happened in Toronto. My heart goes out to the families of the people who died.

Why is it a "matter of time"???

...and "incel'? Man... learn something new every day... o.O

Yeah the incel world is an extremely dark and demented world you never knew about, pretty creepy. Its so absurd its almost comical if it hadn't already claimed at least 6 lives.

Now we just wait for them to make the guy talk and maybe we can learn what motivated this guy. He wasn't on any radical watchlist.


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 whembly wrote:

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
I live like 10 minutes away from this intersection. I suppose it was only a matter of time before something like this happened in Toronto. My heart goes out to the families of the people who died.

Why is it a "matter of time"???

I can only assume that is a reference to religious extremist terrorism of a certain kind that some think will inevitably happen.

Major respect to the officer for how he handled the situation.

 Blacksails wrote:
Major respect to the officer for how he handled the situation.

Indeed. Video of the arrest

"Kill me!"
"No, get down."
"I have a gun in my pocket!"
"I don't care, get down."

Solid cop.

 Disciple of Fate wrote:
Yeah the incel world is an extremely dark and demented world you never knew about, pretty creepy. Its so absurd its almost comical if it hadn't already claimed at least 6 lives.

Now we just wait for them to make the guy talk and maybe we can learn what motivated this guy. He wasn't on any radical watchlist.

I had never heard of Incel until this thread - and I have to admit it makes no sense to me.

I am as plain as the south end of a north bound mule, and have a lovely wife that I love with all my heart - being a jerk is the surest way to be 'involuntarily celibate'. Blaming it on the women is... just plain dumb.

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 whembly wrote:

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
I live like 10 minutes away from this intersection. I suppose it was only a matter of time before something like this happened in Toronto. My heart goes out to the families of the people who died.

Why is it a "matter of time"???

I can only assume that is a reference to religious extremist terrorism of a certain kind that some think will inevitably happen.

More that it was only a matter of time before a mass shooting or similar event took place in Canada, I suspect. After all, why should the US have all the fun?

A big thumbs up for the way the police officer handled the arrest - he remained calm, and acted in a competent manner. I would have been sorely tempted to put the boot in when the suspect was down on the ground.

The Auld Grump

 TheAuldGrump wrote:

 Disciple of Fate wrote:
Yeah the incel world is an extremely dark and demented world you never knew about, pretty creepy. Its so absurd its almost comical if it hadn't already claimed at least 6 lives.

Now we just wait for them to make the guy talk and maybe we can learn what motivated this guy. He wasn't on any radical watchlist.

I had never heard of Incel until this thread - and I have to admit it makes no sense to me.

I am as plain as the south end of a north bound mule, and have a lovely wife that I love with all my heart - being a jerk is the surest way to be 'involuntarily celibate'. Blaming it on the women is... just plain dumb.

Very dumb, self fulfilling prophecy levels of stupid. But remember that young man who killed 6 women over women not throwing themselves at him in the US a few years ago?

 TheAuldGrump wrote:

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
I live like 10 minutes away from this intersection. I suppose it was only a matter of time before something like this happened in Toronto. My heart goes out to the families of the people who died.

Why is it a "matter of time"???

I can only assume that is a reference to religious extremist terrorism of a certain kind that some think will inevitably happen.

More that it was only a matter of time before a mass shooting or similar event took place in Canada, I suspect. After all, why should the US have all the fun?

A big thumbs up for the way the police officer handled the arrest - he remained calm, and acted in a competent manner. I would have been sorely tempted to put the boot in when the suspect was down on the ground.

The Auld Grump

Uhm... Sad to say Canada isn't new to these mass murders. Last year a man killed 6 people in a Quebec mosque.

 whembly wrote:

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
I live like 10 minutes away from this intersection. I suppose it was only a matter of time before something like this happened in Toronto. My heart goes out to the families of the people who died.

Why is it a "matter of time"???

I can only assume that is a reference to religious extremist terrorism of a certain kind that some think will inevitably happen.

More that it was only a matter of time before a mass shooting or similar event took place in Canada, I suspect. After all, why should the US have all the fun?

A big thumbs up for the way the police officer handled the arrest - he remained calm, and acted in a competent manner. I would have been sorely tempted to put the boot in when the suspect was down on the ground.

The Auld Grump

Unfortunately, Canada has already had several mass shootings. The most infamous over here is the 1989 university shooting where a man murdered 14 women in a sexist attack.

More recently, last year saw the attack on a mosque by an alt-right nutjob.

There are more.

Wow, I know a couple of guys that could be absolutely part of the Incel group.

Man, what lack of sex do to some frustrated individuals. Surely the blame is on the other gender not in your lack of social skills.

That was about an hour up the highway from me.
Could have been anyone including my family on that well travelled street.

Says something when the guy wanted to suicide by cop.
The best "revenge" was taking him alive.

The cop decided to do things the hard way, very well done assessing if he was being bluffed what was being pointed at him.
Stones of steel on that one, would be interesting to know why he held off on being justified to discharge his firearm.

Unfortunately, there are some 9 families experiencing a loss.
What an incredibly stupid/tragic/selfish means of adding to what obviously was an attempted suicide.
I am sure this guy's life sucked in a big way to get in the headspace he did but frankly: I do not want to ever hear what he has to say.

 Galas wrote:

Man, what lack of sex do to some frustrated individuals. Surely the blame is on the other gender not in your lack of social skills.

He seems to have had deeper problems than lack of social skills - the BBC article on him mentions some pretty erratic behavior. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43877137.

It's not a lack of sex causing it. Most people figure out how to masturbate.



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 Talizvar wrote:

Stones of steel on that one, would be interesting to know why he held off on being justified to discharge his firearm.

He probably didn't want to go home and tell his wife that he killed somebody today. Police are just people, after all, and most people don't want to take other people's lives. Police train for it, but thank God that training doesn't make it automatic.

You can’t pretend masturbation is a meaningful replacement for sex. People feel genuine frustration by a lack of intimacy in their lives.

Anyway, that’s by the by. The issue here is that people like him and Elliot Roger and others like them is that they’re narcissists, unpleasant self absorbed people. Who the hell writes a 100,000 word rambling manifesto about how hard done by they are by women? People like these don’t get girlfriends because because they can’t socialise properly like normal healthy people. They think they have an automatic right to relationships and blame everyone else for their lack of having one. But most women would avoid them like the plague, exactly because they’re egotistical creeps with violent, misogynistic tendencies. What is there to like?

If somebody wants to read more about the incel movement:
https://twitter.com/ArshyMann/status/988818797086871558
http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2018/04/24/incels-hail-toronto-van-driver-who-killed-10-as-a-new-elliot-rodger-talk-of-future-acid-attacks-and-mass-rapes/

Posted online just beforehand.


I can go one better than links and give examples of the sort of things Incels say. Spoilered because it is incredibly misogynistic and offensive.



You get the idea.

And here's where I'm wondering if self-proclaimed "movements" like this could've ever formed without the internet. It's like a self-helf group for all the wrong reasons, in all the wrong ways, turned to 11.

I first heard of incels via a 9gag meme where somebody un-ironically called sex a "female resource" that is "controlled by females" and not available to incels like the author. So he suggested that new laws are opened up that, whenever young, attractive females died, this resource would not "go wasted" and a system could be put in place where incels could have sex with her dead body at the earliest convenience after death. You can't make this gak up.

I have seen the picture of the post Ketara shows too, but still no real official confirmation on this right?

 Witzkatz wrote:
And here's where I'm wondering if self-proclaimed "movements" like this could've ever formed without the internet. It's like a self-helf group for all the wrong reasons, in all the wrong ways, turned to 11.

I first heard of incels via a 9gag meme where somebody un-ironically called sex a "female resource" that is "controlled by females" and not available to incels like the author. So he suggested that new laws are opened up that, whenever young, attractive females died, this resource would not "go wasted" and a system could be put in place where incels could have sex with her dead body at the earliest convenience after death. You can't make this gak up.

Honestly I don't know what's worse, the above or the notion of what mothers and sisters 'owe' them as family.

Iirc the incel group was kickes off of reddit after trying to get legal advice in another group on legal advice on how to get away with rape. Seriously, considering what is allowed to dwell on reddit, it makes you think what it takes to be too toxic.

It could be a fake account or whatever, but it seems like it's his for now. (Certainly people rarely look for such rigorous burdens of proof if the person involved is ...from other certain groups)

The Incel community is the very definition of male entitlement.

All this because a guy was frustrated about not getting Laid once in a while?

of all the damn things in the world... sadly you cannoy even make this gak up.

its a sad event, and for no damned reason.
hopefully he spends a VERY long time in jail. never seeing the outside of a concrete room would be appropriate.

Incel is just one of many on the long list of this guy's problems. He briefly joined and then was kicked out of the Canadian military. We have guys in the military who get winded just opening the door to Tim Horton's.

I think after killing 10 people its pretty safe to assume he will never get out again.

 feeder wrote:
Incel is just one of many on the long list of this guy's problems. He briefly joined and then was kicked out of the Canadian military. We have guys in the military who get winded just opening the door to Tim Horton's.

I was deployed with one of your F-18 squadrons this winter. While most of them were outstanding chaps... yes, your characterization of some of them is not wrong.

 djones520 wrote:

 feeder wrote:
Incel is just one of many on the long list of this guy's problems. He briefly joined and then was kicked out of the Canadian military. We have guys in the military who get winded just opening the door to Tim Horton's.

I was deployed with one of your F-18 squadrons this winter. While most of them were outstanding chaps... yes, your characterization of some of them is not wrong.

CF-18, tyvm, the C stands for 'cool'

 Galas wrote:
Wow, I know a couple of guys that could be absolutely part of the Incel group.

Man, what lack of sex do to some frustrated individuals. Surely the blame is on the other gender not in your lack of social skills.

Nah man - look at some data on dating sites. Men really are at a huge disadvantage in the game. There is no question that it does and will drive some men crazy.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Wow, I know a couple of guys that could be absolutely part of the Incel group.

Man, what lack of sex do to some frustrated individuals. Surely the blame is on the other gender not in your lack of social skills.

Nah man - look at some data on dating sites. Men really are at a huge disadvantage in the game. There is no question that it does and will drive some men crazy.

The bold part makes online dating sound like a field day for lesbians

Men are at a disadvantage? To women? Aren't those women looking to date men?

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Wow, I know a couple of guys that could be absolutely part of the Incel group.

Man, what lack of sex do to some frustrated individuals. Surely the blame is on the other gender not in your lack of social skills.

Nah man - look at some data on dating sites. Men really are at a huge disadvantage in the game. There is no question that it does and will drive some men crazy.

No. In no way does anything drive men "crazy". Absent a legit mental disorder like schizophrenia everyone is 100% responsible for their own actions.