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Hey,

So I've got two new buddies who are new to 40k, both started with spess mehrines and then moved on to Necron and Ad Mech. I want to get them a nice boxed set, preferably something big and singular (like a monster/vehicle).

For each army, what's a unit that is sort of a "must have" or something that is going to be universally useful for them? I don't know anything about Ad Mech and I've never seen the Necron player's army, so I'm not trying to supplement their current forces. I'm just hoping to get them something that they'll surely find a use for.

I was thinking Monolith for the Necron player, but maybe I'm just old school because that's the only Necron vehicle I actually know about!

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AdMech: Neutron onegars, katstallan gunbots
Necrons: Doomsday Arcs, destroyers, overlords/lord

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The games rules aren't static. It could be that in a few years when the new codexes or Chapter Approved is released all these things could be changed to be useless. Its better to get models you like over models that preform the best unless yiu ha e a bottomless pit of money and want to chase the tournament meta like an donkey-cave.


 
   
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DDA's are not must have units. Just because they look good to tournament players doesn't mean everyone needs one.

Immortals, Destroyers (any kind) however are fairly ubiquitous however.

 
   
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Anything that is useful currently should be fine! Our meta is weird anyway lol. There's like a group of 8 of us, mostly friends from high school, and none of us are very good at the game. I just want to avoid buying something that is trash. Like, I wouldn't want someone to buy me a Chaos Spawn or a Forgefiend or some garbage unit, though, honestly I guess part of that is just my personal preference.

Still though, if enough people respond I'll get an idea for where to start at least. I, personally, think Destroyers are sexy as hell! lol.

So, I know nothing of Ad Mech, but I've seen him play his minis. Looking them up, I know he has a Onager and 3 Robots. I'm wondering if he'd appreciate another Onager, what about the Kataphron destroyers/breachers? It'd be so cute if I got them both basically the same things (Kataphron Breachers/Destroyers and Necron (Heavy) Destroyers look basically the same! lol).

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A second Onager would be a great idea because they get a bonus on the field if one is near another (so running 2+ is best if you're going to run any).

AdMech Destroyers are okay currently (not great, not horrible), but I love the idea of theme that they're both getting "destroyers." AdMech is lucky that they don't have any real trash units (apart from basic servitors and breachers), and Necron Destroyers are super solid right now.

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HuskyWarhammer wrote:
A second Onager would be a great idea because they get a bonus on the field if one is near another (so running 2+ is best if you're going to run any).

AdMech Destroyers are okay currently (not great, not horrible), but I love the idea of theme that they're both getting "destroyers." AdMech is lucky that they don't have any real trash units (apart from basic servitors and breachers), and Necron Destroyers are super solid right now.


I'll definitely get him an Onager than! I'm literally shooting myself in the foot, though, cuz that thing likes to lock onto my Demon Prince every game! haha. Too bad the whole "destroyer" theme fell out the window!

So what about my Necron buddy? I kinda think these guys bought the Forgebane kit, plus some other stuff. I'd really like to get him a single model and not a box of infantry. I know that immortals are awesome and destroyers are cool. I'm wondering about one of those barge things (transports), but no one has said anything about the monolith. He's been complaining that his army is too slow, so I'm thinking a transport would be useful. He was also talking about running a monolith, but those things are big and expensive (points-wise) so I was hoping to get some advice. Are monoliths still kick ass or are they old and worthless now with all the "new" necron goodies?

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 Kharneth wrote:
HuskyWarhammer wrote:
A second Onager would be a great idea because they get a bonus on the field if one is near another (so running 2+ is best if you're going to run any).

AdMech Destroyers are okay currently (not great, not horrible), but I love the idea of theme that they're both getting "destroyers." AdMech is lucky that they don't have any real trash units (apart from basic servitors and breachers), and Necron Destroyers are super solid right now.


I'll definitely get him an Onager than! I'm literally shooting myself in the foot, though, cuz that thing likes to lock onto my Demon Prince every game! haha. Too bad the whole "destroyer" theme fell out the window!


Quick comment: Daemon Princes are Characters with less than 10 wounds and cannot be targeted unless they're the closest model to the enemy.

(so stop flying so close to onagers without friends )
   
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 Unit1126PLL wrote:
 Kharneth wrote:
HuskyWarhammer wrote:
A second Onager would be a great idea because they get a bonus on the field if one is near another (so running 2+ is best if you're going to run any).

AdMech Destroyers are okay currently (not great, not horrible), but I love the idea of theme that they're both getting "destroyers." AdMech is lucky that they don't have any real trash units (apart from basic servitors and breachers), and Necron Destroyers are super solid right now.


I'll definitely get him an Onager than! I'm literally shooting myself in the foot, though, cuz that thing likes to lock onto my Demon Prince every game! haha. Too bad the whole "destroyer" theme fell out the window!


Quick comment: Daemon Princes are Characters with less than 10 wounds and cannot be targeted unless they're the closest model to the enemy.

(so stop flying so close to onagers without friends )


Y'know, sometimes I don't even know what game we're playing! I definitely am not normally the closest target but it's so easy to forget that the Demon Prince is a character. Also, for some reason they convinced me that a Demon Prince, being a monster, can be shot at while in close combat. So I was shot at while fighting a unit of Ork Shoota Boyz. We, uh, are still figuring it all out! lol.

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 Kharneth wrote:
Y'know, sometimes I don't even know what game we're playing! I definitely am not normally the closest target but it's so easy to forget that the Demon Prince is a character. Also, for some reason they convinced me that a Demon Prince, being a monster, can be shot at while in close combat. So I was shot at while fighting a unit of Ork Shoota Boyz. We, uh, are still figuring it all out! lol.


Haha, no worries! For a "simplified" rulesset, 40k has a lot going on under the hood.
   
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 Unit1126PLL wrote:
 Kharneth wrote:
Y'know, sometimes I don't even know what game we're playing! I definitely am not normally the closest target but it's so easy to forget that the Demon Prince is a character. Also, for some reason they convinced me that a Demon Prince, being a monster, can be shot at while in close combat. So I was shot at while fighting a unit of Ork Shoota Boyz. We, uh, are still figuring it all out! lol.


Haha, no worries! For a "simplified" rulesset, 40k has a lot going on under the hood.


For real. Part of me preferred their giant, 45-page ruleset from prior editions. It had all the little things you could think of in it, though they still left stuff out and needed errata and FAQ. Now, their tiny list of rules leave so much to the imagination. We're always going back in the rulebook to reread the specific wording for things. This is definitely my favorite edition in general, though.

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My experience is limited with Ad Mech but I own some and think the:
Onegar Dunecrawler and Kastellan Robots are a must have.

My friend plays Necrons and I've played him many times. In my experience,:
Wraiths are excellent and definitely worth taking most any game.
The Shard of the Deciever, with the changes to deepstrikes, plus the things it can do anyway, AND that its a character make it a b to deal with. Plus he looks nice.
Finally the things that a unit of destroyers can pull off are pretty impressive.

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For Necrons, depends on their army preference.

If like me they really like lots of infantry, you can do worse than a Triarch Stalker. It packs a fair punch, can be armed with a variety of weapons to suits taste (Anti Infantry, Middle Ground, Anti Tank), and as long as it targets an enemy unit, everyone else picking on that unit re-rolls 1’s to hit.

So regardless of what it’s targetting, or what you’ve chosen to arm it with, it’s a serious force multiplier. And with Quantam Shielding, it’s a thorny beast for your opponent to deal with quickly. gakker it with Anti-tank, and there’s a fair chance it’ll shrug off the worst. Tonk it with infantry, and you’ve got your regular surviability. It can also be relatively handy in a fight. Whilst not devastating there, it can at least pin an enemy unit. Get it right, and you can force the enemy unit to back off out of combat, or Wait for your own turn, your own infantry can back off without penalty, and the Stalker can disengage, allowing everyone else to give them enemy a bit of the ol’ dakkafzapp.

So for an infantry heavy army, I really favour them. Their use goes down somewhat in a more mechanised list - but not to the point where they become pointless.

   
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If your friend got the Forgebane kit, I don't think a Ghost Ark (the transport) would be a good fit, as it can't transport immortals.

You could always get him a C'tan shard, like the Deceiver or Nightbringer? Annihilation Barges are a good choice, too, if you want something more equivalent to the Dunecrawler.
   
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For me, the "core" units that should be in any Necron force are Immortals, Destroyers, and Canoptek Wraiths. A Doomsday Ark could be good too, though that's because it's currently competitive rather and our best anti-tank.
   
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For Necrons, if you're looking for a big singular unit, a Doomsday Ark is probably the best bet. It's thematically similar to an Onager Dunecrawel (deletes armor from long range), and none of our the other centerpiece vehicles are any good short of a Tesseract Vault superheavy, which is silly expensive for a gift.

Destroyers are a must-have unit.

I'd argue against Immortals and Wraiths since they would already have those if they bought Forgebane.
   
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If you're going to buy him an Onager, get the Start Collecting box instead. The price difference is negligible, and the SC is way better value since you get 10 Skitarii and a TPD at a huge discount once you account for the Onager's list price being 4/5ths of the box anyway.



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Nobody is suggesting the chicken walker for Admech? Three of them with the -1 to hit forge world bonus can put in some serious work. Too bad running even three of them is insanely expensive though. Also, it is a fun unit on the table because it gives the Admech player something to do other than sit there and shoot all day.
   
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Cawl, Dunecawlers, Dragoons for Admech for sure.

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I'm thinking they might have each gotten a starter kit plus shared the Forgebane.

Ad Mech has (from what I remember):

Onager w/ double barrel autocannon-esque thing
Skitarii vanguard (10-20ish)
Kastelan Robots (2-3)
Cawl
2-4 snipers on sticks???
2 baby titan looking things, like Ad Mech dreadnoughts or something

Necron has (from what I remember):

Immortals and Warriors (totally guessing lol)
Wraiths (at least 3)
Shield bros
Triarch Stalker

I think I'll get an Onager and a Doomsday Ark. I'll keep the other recommendations has back ups just in case the GW store doesn't carry what I'm looking for.

Thank you guys!

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Yeah, doomsday ark is good. Lots of health, lots of damage and surprisingly tough.

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With the beta deep strike rules, the Deceiver seems to be an auto-include to all necron armies.
   
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So, I bought a Command / Annihilation Barge and a Ironstrider. I bought what was available. I hope that they can find a use for these things and, at the very least, I know that these will be the first of their kind in their armies!

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 Kharneth wrote:
So, I bought a Command / Annihilation Barge and a Ironstrider. I bought what was available. I hope that they can find a use for these things and, at the very least, I know that these will be the first of their kind in their armies!


Both of those are good choices! Ironstriders, especially the taser-lance variant, are damn good, and the twin autocannon Ballistarius version is neato as well, and cheap. The Catacomb Command Barge may have just doomed your Daemon Prince far worse than any other option - it's a terrifying HQ choice for necrons!!
   
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Currently, the command barge isnt bad as a beatstick HQ. Its below the threshhold for characters, so cant be targeted by anything that doesnt have the sniper rule if theres any other unit closer to the shooter, and its got serious wounds/toughness as a bonus, as well as living metal and quantum shields... The only thing it lacks is an invulnerable save, which it can get via a relic (4++, also shoots out mortal wounds against enemies nearby). It also benefits aura abilities, since its a lot larger than other HQs - > covers a larger area.

As to the ironstrider, some people swear on it - Stygies dragoons in particular can be tough to deal with, as they give a -2 to hit to anything attempting to target them. They also have a decent amount of attacks, their only downside being low AP and a really bad point-to-money ratio. Basically, theyre to cheap, so youre tempted to buy lots of them... at a pretty steep price per box.
Most people seem to use them in squads of 3, I think...?
   
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Tomb Blades, Immortals, Destroyers, Scarabs and Wraiths, probably in that order.

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Get the Necron guy a C'Tan Shard of the Nightbringer. A great unit to use, easy to paint an looks awesome.
   
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DDAs are a must have for every necron army. Hard to kill, easily repaired, can ignore damage when heavily damaged with a stratagem.
   
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The most useful for me are the scarabs and wraiths and doomsday arks. Scarabs block deep strike areas hold objectives and block charges, wraiths murder or at least tarpit things in melee and the doomsday arks sit as back as possible and try to snipe tanks and monsters. Doomsday arks fly, are hard to kill and also have the shooting power of 10 warriors along with the big gun, makes them look like they are very cheap for what they do.

A command barge is a great way to keep the warlord alive if you combine it with the artifact that gives it a invulnerable save, but it's weak with 3(?) attacks in close combat.

For troops, I use the immortals with tesla combined with the dynasty that gives them a +1 to AP when shooting under 12". The dynasty bonus, the buff from the overlord and the stratagem that gives another extra attack on a 6 makes them very good.

I'd say that Tomb blades with gauss are ok but the opponents always target mine first so they don't get to do more than wreck squad of space marines and grab some objectives in the first two turns.
   
 
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