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Get an idea of what their meta looks like and check them for errors. Have fun!

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QuVR2KdfKO08bBLYw9vobghM_xwhejofmtyXQ7LgQU8/edit

Thanks for sharing!

Thanks for taking the tine to do that, though I'll be interested to know if some of the lists change as I'm not 100% sure their post FAQ status.

Ice_can wrote:
Thanks for taking the tine to do that, though I'll be interested to know if some of the lists change as I'm not 100% sure their post FAQ status.

Not my work. The FLG guys put this up for the community to proof read. I will do some deeper analysis on them when I get the chance though.

Ah well fairly sure someone is still using imperium as a detachment keyword, and one list is using codex points costs instead of CA and FAQ points


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But to follow up on that wow is the Super heavy spam out inforce for this event.

There's one list with a Relic Leviathan Dread but no normal dreads. I thought that you couldn't have more Relic X than normal X.
It's Darren Cooper's ultramarine list.

I'm also not sure of Gareth Purchon's Grey Knight list. He's got a very weird entry under Elites- Dreadknight (87), 2 Twin Auto cannon (66). Total 153 . I'm not sure what the heck this is supposed to be (and I play GK).

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
There's one list with a Relic Leviathan Dread but no normal dreads. I thought that you couldn't have more Relic X than normal X.
It's Darren Cooper's ultramarine list.

I'm also not sure of Gareth Purchon's Grey Knight list. He's got a very weird entry under Elites- Dreadknight (87), 2 Twin Auto cannon (66). Total 153 . I'm not sure what the heck this is supposed to be (and I play GK).

Relic is explained in the forgeworld book, but its basically slot not unit.
I assume thats ment to be a deadnaught with twin autocannons from the index but the points look wrong, but I'm no GK player

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
There's one list with a Relic Leviathan Dread but no normal dreads. I thought that you couldn't have more Relic X than normal X.
It's Darren Cooper's ultramarine list.

I'm also not sure of Gareth Purchon's Grey Knight list. He's got a very weird entry under Elites- Dreadknight (87), 2 Twin Auto cannon (66). Total 153 . I'm not sure what the heck this is supposed to be (and I play GK).

It doesn't have to be a normal Dreadnought, it can be any HS choice. The GK list is probably just a Dreadnought.

I've not played against tyrannids for a very long time.

Can some one tell me what advantage someone is gaining by making a Meiotic Spore their warlord?

Herbington wrote:
I've not played against tyrannids for a very long time.

Can some one tell me what advantage someone is gaining by making a Meiotic Spore their warlord?

Cheap way of denying your opponent warlord points, I suppose.

"Mucolid Spores are discounted for the purposes of any victory conditions – their destruction never awards victory points"

Is this the complete list?

Because like.
I'm not on it.
[Nervously follows the instructions and resubmits by forwarding the orginal email.]

Can you actually make a spore a warlord?

Yes. You can make any model in your army a warlord. I always toyed with making it a conscript for laughs.
If it's a good choice is an entirely seperate matter. I'm fairly sure it gives up Kingslayer still, even though it doesn't give up slay the warlord or first blood.

AdmiralHalsey wrote:
Yes. You can make any model in your army a warlord. I always toyed with making it a conscript for laughs.
If it's a good choice is an entirely seperate matter. I'm fairly sure it gives up Kingslayer still, even though it doesn't give up slay the warlord or first blood.

WELL a Conscript under solid leadership would be hard to kill...

 Primark G wrote:
Can you actually make a spore a warlord?

Yea. I think ITC ruled that spore shenanigan out, but otherwise it's a warlord you can keep safe until turn 3 and hide easily without impacting your army.

The ITC and ETC rules stop you doing that. Also bare in mind the tournament will have 3 Killpoint missions as a large source of points so the game will play very differently, hence why I went with Tau (pew pew)

Happy to see so many Dark Eldar lists.

Thanks for the link, it's very interesting to see what people are running.

I'm surprised at the amount of Thousand Sons detachments - there's 60+ of them in there!

All Ork lists are spamming boyz, same stuff there.
Some variety in the Necron lists, destroys seem to be the bees knees.
Annnd only one Eisenhorn showing up with his three single acolytes.

I'm just sad at the state of Space Marines. It seems like some people just take them to take some beatface captains and some scouts, ignoring much of the rest of the Codex. Except some cases that use Aggressors, Dark Angels Dark Talons, or Stormtalon Gunships.

And Space Marines are supposed to be GW's poster boys :/

The problem with marines is that they are the face of 40K and new players almost always start with marines (or dabble in them at some point). GW doesn't need to make them good for them to sell, lol.

I adore the Necron list which is just three Tesseract Vaults, lol.

OK guys, let's make sure to derail this into a thread about how weak Space Marines are for the next five pages or so.

 meleti wrote:
OK guys, let's make sure to derail this into a thread about how weak Space Marines are for the next five pages or so.

Well I haven't looked at the document yet, but if they're not showing up and doing well there is gonna be a reason for that.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 meleti wrote:
OK guys, let's make sure to derail this into a thread about how weak Space Marines are for the next five pages or so.

Well I haven't looked at the document yet, but if they're not showing up and doing well there is gonna be a reason for that.

Space Marines aren't showing up, except for the units that are showing up, which don't count because... reasons.

 Arachnofiend wrote:
Space Marines aren't showing up, except for the units that are showing up, which don't count because... reasons.

Boy I wish you could read the rest of my statement.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:
Space Marines aren't showing up, except for the units that are showing up, which don't count because... reasons.

Boy I wish you could read the rest of my statement.

I suppose I could have been more clear that I was responding to drbored. I thought it safe to ignore your comment since it amounted to "I haven't actually looked at the data but I'm going to complain about it anyways".

I ran through the lists and corrected some errors. That said, there is a fair amount of SM in there, and i see captains, librarians, LTs, scouts, tactical, intercessors, inceptors, aggressors, hellblasters, devastators, razorbacks, rhinos, predators, pods (!) , stormtalons, vanguard veterans... yeah, some units are nevet taken but that is true for every faction.

Fantastic to see a tournament crowdsourcing their list checking like this. It's pretty fun (in a weird way) to help by going through and checking for mistakes/misunderstandings.

I expect all the Drukhari players are a bit shocked at how they are now pretty much the most played codex. Not sure that's technically true but it feels like it!

Interesting that a lot of the "pros" (or at least "people whose names I recognise") are taking T'au. Gonyo, Alex Harrison... Josh Death I think is?

Lawrence from Tabletop Tactics doesn't seem to be on there which is surprising.

The only flaw I see with this method is that if there are people who haven't yet submitted their list for some reason, you could argue that by allowing them to submit it NOW, they get the abillity to edit it based on what they see here.

However there's so much data it's hard to see what meaning you could instantly derive to make list changes.

You DEFO need to take anti horde, and you DEFO need to take anti tank, and you DEFO need to take anti air!!!

The only thing i get out of all of those lists is that any Dark Angel should bring at least one librarian to double -1 those shadowswords.


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Also, Magnus is back, so with him Drukhari, Riptides and Necrons around, the value of autocannons has definitely raised.

I hope Michael Corr, Dan Rolfe Johnson and James Vance do well. Their lists are similar to the one I want to build with my DA