Warp Bolter for chosen?

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**Rydria**

Chosen seem to be on the weaker side in the chaos space marine codex, due to being inferior to noise marines and havocs as a shooting specialists, and inferior to possessed and Khorne berserkers as melee specialists. While costing either equal or more points than both.

Would giving them the ability to take the warp bolter, give them a niche at all ?

STR-4, AP-2, D-2, assault-2, pts-3 (compared to sternguard is 1pt a fair trade for 1 extra damage but 6 less range though ?)

**Slayer-Fan123**

A Warp Bolter would be obscene. What Chosen need is to be a Troop choice and get rid of the basic Vanilla profile altogether.

**CadianGateTroll**

Chosen are still priced as though they retained "infiltrate" rule from 5th ed.

If they had some rule that allowed them to infiltrate without spending cp then they would be better.

When models with "infiltrate" embarked a transport, it conferred "outflanking" to the vehicle.

Chosen used to be loaded into a rhino, out flanked and unloaded melta shots from the 2 firing ports. Then the next turn they can continue to harass the same target or move the rhino 12" so they can shoot something else compared to just deep striking and being sitting ducks.

Chosen squad in a 35pt rhino was a godsend since it acted similar to a drop pod but can only outflank from the side edges and made chosen mobile.

In 8th ed, chosen has access to combi bolters which is a storm bolter for 3pts. How is it fair to have a warp bolter cost just as much as a combi bolter and out perform the combi bolter with better ap, 2 damage and be assault 2 at 24"?

**Slayer-Fan123**

The Combi is only 2 points actually.

**CadianGateTroll**

Correction combi bolters are 2 points.

So for 1 more point. You get 2 damage, Ap-2? Seems fair for 1 point more.

**JNAProductions**

CadianGateTroll wrote:
Correction combi bolters are 2 points.

So for 1 more point. You get 2 damage, Ap-2? Seems fair for 1 point more.

I mean, if they're the only ones to get them, then basically the question is not "Are Warp Bolters worth 3 points?" it's "Are Marines with +1 Leadership, +1 Attack, and Warp Bolters worth 19 points?"

**Desubot**

CadianGateTroll wrote:
Correction combi bolters are 2 points.

So for 1 more point. You get 2 damage, Ap-2? Seems fair for 1 point more.

You could always just have split profiles between the dp version and the chosen.

they used to be 9 points :/

While the warpbolter is cool i think id rather see them get more been around the block tricks than the gun option.

would be neat if they got a super powered chosen by the dark gods bonus to their marks.

**pelicaniforce**

Oh sure, I'm all about chaos armor, axes of khorne, bedlam staves, just chaos artifacts.

But when it comes to been around the block, there are so many been around the block units in different armies that have nothing to show for it. Like sternguard are veterans but they are good because they have special issue ammo. That's not because they are hardbitten vets, you could give special issue ammo to a 1 attack Ld 7 tactical squad and it would be as good or even better than actual veteran stern guard.

I want chosen just with regular bolters to be able, because there are lots of alpha legion or whatever who don't have chaos artifacts, to be able to outfight a basic marine unit. Like, +1 bs wouldn't cut it either, it doesn't let them massacre anyone.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Well Chosen with Combi-Bolters do outshoot Tactical Marines like Sternguard with Bolters do. The issue is Chosen don't exactly fill a role.

I'm a broken record, but the Chaos Marine profile just needs to be deleted and then Chosen become troops.

**pelicaniforce**

... yeah I mean without buying any better weapons, just identical armament to tacticals and chosen's current stats, the chosen should be better at surviving tactical fire and killingtactivals.

Nah the chaos marine profile needs to be wrecked completely and then become an alternative to chosen. Chosen should be troops but basic chaos marines should be like bs4+ and Ld5 with options for like 3 heavy special per 11.

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Like attacks and Ld should be the badass stat, and if you are just a tactical marine with +1 attack and Ld you should be able to shoot the heck out of a normal tactical marine, even with the same equipment.

**Jbz`**

Rydria wrote:
Chosen seem to be on the weaker side in the chaos space marine codex, due to being inferior to noise marines and havocs as a shooting specialists, and inferior to possessed and Khorne berserkers as melee specialists. While costing either equal or more points than both.

Would giving them the ability to take the warp bolter, give them a niche at all ?

STR-4, AP-2, D-2, assault-24, pts-3 (compared to sternguard is 1pt a fair trade for 1 extra damage but 6 less range though ?)

Assault 24?!