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California the Southern

Any talk of Dark Age gets me bummed out over not just that but Wrath of Kings as well.
I still wonder why they haven't really done anything with the Wrath of Kings ruleset.

I thought the rules were created in house, despite the game world being pretty developed prior to landing with the CMON kickstarter.

I thought it played at a really nice size, scaled well, and had some interesting mechanics with the dice charts on the cards.


Poorly lit photos of my ever- growing collection of completely unrelated models!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/627383.page#7436324.html
Watch and listen to me ramble about these minis before ruining them with paint!
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmCB2mWIxhYF8Q36d2Am_2A 
   
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Texas

I thoroughly enjoyed both Wrath of Kings and Dark Age. I too am baffled that they have let these two properties languish when there are already a bunch of models they can crank out quickly AND very fully developed worlds.

Urusei Yatsura, Cerebus the Aardvark, Machiavelli, Plato and Happy Days. So, how was your childhood?

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Baltimore, MD USA

Gah... just the mention of Wrath of Kings made me search ebay for more stuff to buy. Despite having 4 unopened boxes... (Zeti, Shorza, Union pig guys and Shael han sexy chinese girls).... And just bought another Iron-Eyes... thanks guys...


*twitches in the corner*
   
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Texas

 Smokestack wrote:
Gah... just the mention of Wrath of Kings made me search ebay for more stuff to buy. Despite having 4 unopened boxes... (Zeti, Shorza, Union pig guys and Shael han sexy chinese girls).... And just bought another Iron-Eyes... thanks guys...


*twitches in the corner*


I have soooo many assembled and primed Ashmen...50? I need to go count. I was planning on painting them like Griffon Templars from Confrontation, but the best laid plans...

Urusei Yatsura, Cerebus the Aardvark, Machiavelli, Plato and Happy Days. So, how was your childhood?

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 Sacredroach wrote:
I thoroughly enjoyed both Wrath of Kings and Dark Age. I too am baffled that they have let these two properties languish when there are already a bunch of models they can crank out quickly AND very fully developed worlds.


Beautiful miniatures and fun rule sets - all gone now, sacrificed on the altar of crowdfunding campaigns, small amounts of SKUs and quick interest free loans...

I still hope that someday they'll sell off the properties or maybe license them to someone.

   
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Texas

 Alpharius wrote:
 Sacredroach wrote:
I thoroughly enjoyed both Wrath of Kings and Dark Age. I too am baffled that they have let these two properties languish when there are already a bunch of models they can crank out quickly AND very fully developed worlds.


Beautiful miniatures and fun rule sets - all gone now, sacrificed on the altar of crowdfunding campaigns, small amounts of SKUs and quick interest free loans...

I still hope that someday they'll sell off the properties or maybe license them to someone.


I think that part that irritates me most is that once one of these kind of games is "over," nobody wants to play it anymore...I have an Ice Caste Dragyri skirmish force fully painted and based, a Goritsi and a Nassir army fully painted and based, and SO MUCH AT-43...and cannot find opponents unless I force them on my boardgame group. Which I do about three times a year...

Furthermore, the Wrath of Kings website and the Dark Age game system is still listed on CMON's website...c'mon CMON, there is demand.

Urusei Yatsura, Cerebus the Aardvark, Machiavelli, Plato and Happy Days. So, how was your childhood?

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 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Any talk of Dark Age gets me bummed out over not just that but Wrath of Kings as well.
I still wonder why they haven't really done anything with the Wrath of Kings ruleset.

I thought the rules were created in house, despite the game world being pretty developed prior to landing with the CMON kickstarter.

I thought it played at a really nice size, scaled well, and had some interesting mechanics with the dice charts on the cards.


Random speculation: CMON's boardgames (eg. Zombicide, Arcadia Quest) were *very* popular at the time, and the boardgaming audience is much larger than the miniatures one. That's also why "Cool Mini or Not" became CMON. With GW's killing of Oldhammer, the more fantasy-based and originally miniatures agnostic Mantic Kings of War better filled the void than Wrath of Kings. It's possible that CMON killed Dark Ages for Wrath of Kings because the CMON advocate left the company, or starting a new miniatures line, perhaps one that encouraged more miniatures, would bring in more money. Also, CMON extensively used KS (it still does, but later would release some games directly to retail), which works better for one-shot boardgame releases, than a miniatures line that needs continual support. ASOIAF perhaps was at the right place at the right time, with CMON able to sustain regular support for retail. No idea about the licensing, but could be that other companies are more interested in developing their own IP -- seems like CMON's the only boardgame company that licenses other boardgames, although I'm sure others exist. I know Confrontation has been licensed from its current holder, who has no interest in games. Unfortunately, good product is rarely any reason to continue making it.

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Central Cimmeria

I think Wrath of Kings failed because of the weird juxtaposition of Saturday Morning Cartoon design with adult kink. It seemed embarrassing to plunk down in front of a random person.

"This is my Chibi Demon and these are my THICC Shael Han Pelegarth in thongs and nipple tape. Those are your kinky Pigmen with nipple clamps being dominated er...mounted...er ridden by those gnome guys"

I say this as a person with many many of those Pigmen and Pelegarth...

The sculpt and detail level on many of the core troops was pretty bad. The Fishmen just didn't work, the Chinese bathrobe guys were absolutely tiny, etc.

It just didn't work aesthetically.
   
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The Great State of New Jersey

Which is unfortunate because it was an incredibly solid and innovative game engine

CoALabaer wrote:
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Dangerous Outrider




Baltimore, MD USA

 Gallahad wrote:


"This is my Chibi Demon and these are my THICC Shael Han Pelegarth in thongs and nipple tape. Those are your kinky Pigmen with nipple clamps being dominated er...mounted...er ridden by those gnome guys"


*pushes glasses up the bridge of my nose and speaks extra nasally* "Um... the Pelegarth are Nasier, not Shael Han"....

But yeah I get that. The Shael Han "Big Sisters", the Shael Han Iron Lotus and Black Lotus and the Goritsi Skarza female sculpts all had a degree of that though none as bad as the Pelagarth... which my local group referred to as "fat bottom girls". Our dedicated Nasier guy didnt like em so didnt use them so I ended up with all his fat bottom girls.

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Baltimore, MD USA

Related to that. CMON used to sell resin WoK figures... I liked the sculpts of the original War Dancers... But they seem to be impossible to find.

I would love to have one. They seemed more vampire-like than the re-sculpts they did for the Kickstarter,

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Unstoppable Bloodthirster of Khorne





Melbourne .au

Aeneades wrote:
Unboxing of the Dust comic shows that the game is a reskinned Zombicide which is a little disappointing -

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sAGR7S1Tk7g


Thanks for the link - appreciated!

As someone with the previous version(s) of DUST and also a lot of Zombicide, I have to say I'm ok with this. Zombicide makes it to the table a lot more often than DUST does, espcially with the plug-and-play nature of it all.

Now I wonder when these comic packs will start showing up around here...?

   
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Central Cimmeria

chaos0xomega wrote:
Which is unfortunate because it was an incredibly solid and innovative game engine


I agree.
   
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San Francisco, CA

 Azazelx wrote:
Aeneades wrote:
Unboxing of the Dust comic shows that the game is a reskinned Zombicide which is a little disappointing -

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sAGR7S1Tk7g


Thanks for the link - appreciated!

As someone with the previous version(s) of DUST and also a lot of Zombicide, I have to say I'm ok with this. Zombicide makes it to the table a lot more often than DUST does, espcially with the plug-and-play nature of it all.

Now I wonder when these comic packs will start showing up around here...?


Huh. I love the Zombicide system, and would love to see it expanded, but I didn't realize they were doing this (i.e., Zombicide-i-fying a bunch of their games). Dust seems an odd choice for this system. I got to play it once or twice, and thought it worked fine as a wargame - but maybe they're completely redoing it? I'm rather curious to see how the Zombicide system might work in a tabletop wargame... The Dead Keep which goes up to crowdfunding in a week, also looks like it's going to drawn on that system too. I'm curious to see where they go with it.

I play...

Sigh.

Who am I kidding? I only paint these days... 
   
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The Battle Barge Buffet Line

Dead Keep starts on Gamefound on Monday apparently!




https://gamefound.com/en/projects/cmon/the-dead-keep

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> Huh. I love the Zombicide system, and would love to see it expanded, but I didn't realize they were doing this

I'll just add that I remember Massive Darkness as some sort of non-zombie Zombicide successor, but I think its "micro XP" campaign rules and "miniatures as would points" systems, both added after the first MD campaign, hurt the game. Myself, I didn't pick up MD2 because of the "miniatures I'll never use" that they offered as SG's. (I forgot if MD has a spell system that I like, even though the MD1 KS is in my room.) Too bad MD didn't take off, as it would mean I'd have some non-zombified boss miniatures.

Personally, I sorta chuck all dice-based combat games into the same bucket. Yeah, I also have Wrath of Kings sitting on the shelf and haven't looked closely at their ruleset, either. Still, good to see a game company that's realizing you don't have to re-invent a d6 every single franchise.

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Massive Darkness 2 had its own weird issues, like melee enemies being able to hurt ranged attackers without being next to them and the like.

It was fun enough but it was clear someone couldn't let go of certain game design ideas even though they didn't make sense for the game they were trying to make.

Not sure I'm interested in another take on "Zombicide converted into a dungeon crawl". Zombicide wasn't even that fun to begin with.

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San Francisco, CA

 ced1106 wrote:
> Huh. I love the Zombicide system, and would love to see it expanded, but I didn't realize they were doing this

I'll just add that I remember Massive Darkness as some sort of non-zombie Zombicide successor, but I think its "micro XP" campaign rules and "miniatures as would points" systems, both added after the first MD campaign, hurt the game. Myself, I didn't pick up MD2 because of the "miniatures I'll never use" that they offered as SG's. (I forgot if MD has a spell system that I like, even though the MD1 KS is in my room.) Too bad MD didn't take off, as it would mean I'd have some non-zombified boss miniatures.

Personally, I sorta chuck all dice-based combat games into the same bucket. Yeah, I also have Wrath of Kings sitting on the shelf and haven't looked closely at their ruleset, either. Still, good to see a game company that's realizing you don't have to re-invent a d6 every single franchise.


I heard from a lot of folks that MD1 wasn't very good, but that they made MD2 much more fun - I didn't play either; they didn't look that great to me as I was looking for an "expanded zombicide" and it seems that's the path they're taking with Dead Keep (the darkness/light mechanism in MD seemed odd even in the descriptions, and while the minis looked nice, it just looked a bit clunky - and I never even bothered looking at MD2). Though I never play anymore, Zombicide was the perfect dice chucker for my group. They really nailed the balance well, and I loved that we lost many a close game of that one. Hopefully DK will capture that spirit.

I play...

Sigh.

Who am I kidding? I only paint these days... 
   
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UK

I though the gameplay worked better in MD1, but MD2 worked better if you wanted an actual campaign

 
   
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The Dead Keep campaign is up and I do hope they have a terrain stretch goal that includes an outhouse. There are seemingly alot of very full bladders on offer in the set!

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chaos0xomega wrote:
Which is unfortunate because it was an incredibly solid and innovative game engine


Indeed it was. I just randomly stumbled on some of my stat cards today looking for something else.

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