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Hi All,

Im not going to use this to just vent. Actually need some advise on beating this catachan AM list a friend has been running. Hes currently 14-0 against a variety of armies with it. He runs 6 Russ's (3 with battle cannons and 3 with punisher cannons), 2 hell hounds, a flyer with duel punisher cannons, bulgrin, multiple infantry squads with lascannons , some mortars, and a vareiety of HQ's including a tank one.

The closest anyone has gotten to beating him is with ravenguard hellblasters/banner. My DG keep getting tabled or close to tabled. My most recent list did pretty well against them.

The list i had was as follows:

Typhus
Necrosias
Chaos Lord with helm

60 pox walkers
5 Plague Marines with 2 plasma guns, Champion plasma gun
5 Plague Marines with 2 plasma guns, Champion plasma gun
5 Plague Marines with 2 blight launchers, Champion plasma gun

3 Myphetic blight haulers
3 Plague Burst crawlers - entropy cannons

Im open to suggestions but his list is so well rounded were getting a bit rolled.

Thanks!




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I have also tried adding more anti tank but i cant kill everything fast enough and if i try deep striking his bulgrin murder my deep strikers.

I think DG have a stratagem combined with a buff characther that allows a squad of PM to throw x D6 blind grenade and cause MWs? Maybe you want to try that with a large enough squad of Plague Marine. just my 2 cents

Honestly that list seems very very OP for an FLGS setting. I can't think of much that you could use that would help, unless you played his own game and took some R&H Russes.

Quite a few DG players like running the 60 pox walkers routine and I just don't think it's worth it anymore. You need to get to his lines faster than footslogging it.

I would suggest mixing in Nurgle Daemons, for plaguebearers and the character that makes them move faster.

Also instead of taking 3 myphetic blight haulers, maybe twin las/ML hellbrutes to pop his vehicles. If he's taking a lot of T8 tanks, you need some S9 weapons.

I would also suggest a Rhino to shield and move your DG infantry in as well as a Daemon Prince.

Some weird replies here... I wouldn't call the AM list OP, but definitely strong:

You have entropy cannons on your haulers (sub-optimal, as the PBC BS isn't great and moving makes it trash, plus it's not a lot of shots anyway), which could be spitters. Spitters will be especially useful for the flyer and all the infantry.

3 squads of PM with very few bolterguys to remove as cheap-er casualties. I personally like blight launchers more. especially with an arch-contaminator warlord around (amazing with plague spitters too)

Lots of commitment to the poxwalkers, which are less dangerous now than ever. They're great for wading through t3/t4 infantry, but won't get much else done, and you're committing like 700pts to them.

I would never trade 3 MBH for 3 helbrutes. MBH are much more survivable, comparable damage, and provide cover to your poxwalkers/plague marines among other things (which actually gives the poxwalkers an armor save! only a 6+, but better than nothing)

I'd take some points out of the necrosius/typhus/60PW bucket, and get yourself a daemon prince and drop the lord. A foul blightspawn or two could be a huge help to you too. autohitting D3 and high S + AP is great against flyers if you can get within ~17".

Ally in an Alpha Legion detachment. There should only be about 400 points of infantry and Bullgryn. An AL cultist battalion can roll through that in a turn and then you just tie the vehicles up in assault. Warptime winged prince might solve some issues for you as well.

Should i just take DG as an allied detachment? Seems not allot of people are running them as a full detachment. Running allot to other stuff but not an entire DG army.

All depends on where you want to go with the army. Given this opponent's relatively weak screen Alpha Legion cultists appearing 9" from his deployment zone should be able to invalidate his army. Use Veterans of the Long War + double shooting on a Slaanesh blob to kill the screen. Use a Khorne unit to engage the tanks with the fight again stratagem letting you lock up everything with the extra pile in/consolidate.

If you treat Typhus and 30 poxwalkers as "one unit", it is very solid.

60 with additional investment on hero...not so.

I would agree with some of the posters above. Alpha Legion cultists and then obliterators with the Slaanesh fire twice can do a lot for killing tanks quickly.

Pure death guard is about survivability on the table while holding objectives. However, ironically you need a lot of screens to get anything dangerous up the table. I would add a demon Prince with bloat drone escorts and The Plagueburst cannon as his escort. Move up the table with the crawler up front and if you get first turn throw the stratagem that forces them to shoot everything at it if it is closest. Then cast miasma on the tank and movie behind it. Delete one unit of plague marines and he typhus blob and you have a ton of points to work with for anti tank and anti infantry to kill the screen before your line hits theirs.