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I own a LOT of old Fantasy Dwarves and was wondering if there is a remotely competitive Dispossessed list out there? I heard one did very well a few days ago at SCGT, but can't find the list online anywhere.

I know AoS has proper ally rules now, but 400pts doesn't really let me take a lot of the models I own as they have been so split between Ironweld Arsenal, and Dispossessed.

Not really. Basic dwarves are pretty into the low tier territory by themselves. If you want to be "competitive" with dwarves you need to run either the khadron clowncar build or the fyreslayer powergame list. Both can be found via googling tournament lists.

The fyreslayer lists I've seen have some variety. The clowncar list is essentially copy pasted across the board.

That sucks. I was hoping even if I had to go "mixed Order" I could do something resembling my old Dwarves. That's a shame.

I own most of what I would need for that Kharadron list as a result of stuff I bought purely to enjoy painting, but i'd really prefer to not run something so inflexible. Fyreslayers could be a fun option though. Where is the flexibility in their better power lists?

I don't really see any of them around me so I'm not sure what their flexibility is. It has to do with their synergies and the insane amount of throwing axes they can generate.

Fyreslayers work because massive unit discount on vulkite beserkers is total cheese, magmadroths are pretty undercosted, and the battlesmith is probably the most undercosted model in the game (80 points for an 8" aura of reroll all failed save rolls). Off the top of my head going 3x30 vulkite, runefather on droth, 3x runesmiter on droth, 2x battlesmith will utterly destroy most non-competitive lists and Im not even sure that adds up to a full 2000 points.

Disposessed came 7th in a 104 player tournament in Australia this year...
https://aosshorts.com/cancon-top-10-age-of-sigmar-lists/

here's the list to save you a click

Dan Saye – Dispossessed
Leaders
Warden King (120)
– General
– Trait: Grudgebearer
Runelord (80)
– Artefact: Ancestral Pickaxe
Runelord (80)
Celestant-Prime (340)
– Allies

Battleline
10 x Warriors (80)
– Double-handed Duardin Axes & Shields
10 x Warriors (80)
– Double-handed Duardin Axes & Shields
10 x Longbeards (120)
– Great Axes & Shields

Units
20 x Quarrellers (240)
20 x Irondrakes (400)
30 x Ironbreakers (400)
1 x Gryph-Hound (40)
– Allies

Total: 1980 / 2000
Allies: 380 / 400


Edit to add the guy did an interview on The Honest Wargamer podcast. Probably tricky to find though. He was an "I literally only play dispossessed they are my army" kind of guy.

I wouldn't say Dwarfs won that as much as Dwarfs/Sigmarines won that.

Its primary faction is Dispossessed. What more do you want?!

Call me crazy but I expect an army labelled as as Dispossessed to be Dispossessed. I want people to name things properly. It's not hard. Especially as it seems to be the Celestant Prime did a lot of the heavy lifting in that list.

Well, if its legally Dispossessed Allegiance by matched-play rules, i'm cool with calling it a Dispossessed list, for my purposes...

... my purposes being, not feeling totally down on how my giant Dwarf collection will play in AoS. :-p

I don't know why, but I think I also fixated a little much on needing to run my list as pure Dispossessed. I haven't played much AoS in the last year or so, and forgot I could run an "Order" list.

I know it wouldn't be top-tier, but running my army as Order loses me access to the Pickaxe artifact, but lets me field all the Ironweld toys that I own, and make something resembling a more traditional Dwarf army of old. I'll be content with that for semi-casual play, and knowing I might be able to put together a semi-competitive list with allies makes me happy enough.

I'm not looking to win major events, i'm looking to not embarrass myself at store-level tournaments. :-p

My wife on the otherhand... ;-) She just spent $750 on Daughters of Khaine, because she is a beautiful, beautiful, filthy power-gamer. :-p

You may like the Stormcast lord-ordinator as he buffs all Order war machines.

Keep in mind that Tournament Competitive does not equal Casual Competitive, you don't need to run Fyreslayer cheese or Kharadon Clown Car to be competitive casually. If you arn't planning to just sweep tournaments and your meta isn't completely WAAC you'll do just fine with pure Dispossessed or just a Dwarf mixed Order list.

MalfunctBot wrote:
Keep in mind that Tournament Competitive does not equal Casual Competitive, you don't need to run Fyreslayer cheese or Kharadon Clown Car to be competitive casually. If you arn't planning to just sweep tournaments and your meta isn't completely WAAC you'll do just fine with pure Dispossessed or just a Dwarf mixed Order list.

This. "Competitive" is a broad term. Always know whats the level where you are playing. I play regularly in 3 different stores. One is casual, as in, tons and tons of marines on foot. Other is casual-competitive, you see a little more coherent forces, but nothing more. Then the third one is middle-of-the road competitive, where you see lists that are clearly based on the idea of using the strong units, but with a mix of more subpar units that people likes, and even the ones based on internet netlist are heavely changed.

I don't play on high-end competitive tournaments, the kind of tournament where OP Tzeentch, Stormcast, Fyreslayers ,etc... are seen. So with my barbarian bloodbound horde and my generic destruction horde with greenskins (Not Ironjawz) and Ogres I can play no problem in three of those stores. Internet can warp your perception, and even if I can absolutely admit that some stores play just high-end competitive style even in casual pick up games, they aren't the norm. You need to identify and adapt to the style of where you play.

Our area is probably considered mid-competitive over-all, with, unfortunately a few out-of-towners who only show up to play when a prize is on the line, and who happily drive two hours to take $50 in store credit, using an extreme net-list. :-p

I'm increasingly confident that going "Order" lets me comfortably work in the mid-competitive system while taking what us old-timers would unquestionably recognize as an Old-World "Dwarf" army.

Also, thanks for the head's up on the Ordinator from Malign Portents. He seems like a great force-multiplier for slightly more hardcore games, and he's dirt-cheap points-wise.




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By the way... tacking a question onto my post.

Since the GW warscrolls for Ironweld artillery are messed out (outside of the app), and missing their 2nd pages... How do crews work?

Specifically is a given artillery crew bound to a set gun, or can artillery from one gun, count towards a gun whose crew is already dead?

The Crew are separate from the gun, so for instance if one crew gets shot off the table and you position correctly you can get the second crew to pull overtime and man both guns. The crew also count as being in cover if they're nearby the gun I'm pretty sure.

Also, for what it's worth, with the new edition coming out Runelords are going to become extremely good when it comes to unbinding magic.

How is the new edition making Runelords that good?

The new 30" Unbind range cominbed with his +2 to unbind. Pretty good Keep in mind that his point cost might change in AoS2.0.

I hadn't thought about that, but it sounds great (the Runelord thing).

I'm really having much more fun list-building, and planning purchases, etc... now that i've embraced going "Order" and just sell imposing a restriction on only taking the Dwarf-extended family. I know AoS is all about micro-factions, but if this was the old days and Dispossessed/Ironweld/Fyreslayers/Kharadron were all one giant book, I think I would've fainted from joy.

I already own all the Dispossessed/Ironweld a person could ever need thanks to the good old days, but I just threw a silly amount at some Fyreslayers which should open up some fun tricks come game time.

Edit: Anyone have any tips or tricks for good "Counts-As" Hearthguard? I'd love to have a big block of them, but i've never seen such an awfully priced unit out of modern-era GW. $250 MSRP for a single maxed unit is pretty crap.

Glad to hear you are embracing the Order allegience - its a great allegience.

I have no "counts-as" options for you, but I can offer another solution which is less costy - 20 or 30 Vulkite Berserkers instead? They are Battleline, and teaming them up with a Runesmiter is both fun and a good unit - what is more fun than 21/31 tunneling berserk Dwarves?


1 Start Collecting Box + a unit of Vulkite Berskers = 20 Berserkers, 1 Magmadroth and 3 Heroes (one on Magmadroth) - $145

OR

2 Start Collecting Boxes = 20 Berserkers, 2 Magmadroths and 6 Heroes (two on Magmadroth) - $170. In this case you can sell off 1 Magmadroth and some heroes you don't need....

Last Edition wrote:
Glad to hear you are embracing the Order allegience - its a great allegience.

I have no "counts-as" options for you, but I can offer another solution which is less costy - 20 or 30 Vulkite Berserkers instead? They are Battleline, and teaming them up with a Runesmiter is both fun and a good unit - what is more fun than 21/31 tunneling berserk Dwarves?


1 Start Collecting Box + a unit of Vulkite Berskers = 20 Berserkers, 1 Magmadroth and 3 Heroes (one on Magmadroth) - $145

OR

2 Start Collecting Boxes = 20 Berserkers, 2 Magmadroths and 6 Heroes (two on Magmadroth) - $170. In this case you can sell off 1 Magmadroth and some heroes you don't need....

So... semi-guilty confession...

I MAY have bought three Start Collecting Boxes, and 60 additionally Vulkite Berserkers. :-p I stopped there, even though I still really want a blob of Hearthguard, but honestly, I saw it as a way of spending a lot of money, but also getting my now 10+ year old Dwarf collection some competitive options for the years ahead (hopefully).

I've also been selling a bunch of my 40k armies, bit by bit, to downsize back to a reasonable number of games/armies, which lets me feel less bad about dropping the money all at once.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

So... semi-guilty confession...

I MAY have bought three Start Collecting Boxes, and 60 additionally Vulkite Berserkers. :-p I stopped there, even though I still really want a blob of Hearthguard, but honestly, I saw it as a way of spending a lot of money, but also getting my now 10+ year old Dwarf collection some competitive options for the years ahead (hopefully).

I've also been selling a bunch of my 40k armies, bit by bit, to downsize back to a reasonable number of games/armies, which lets me feel less bad about dropping the money all at once.

Haha That should do it! Try these out and see if you need Hearthguards. Either way, I think you got a good army going - Fireslayers are in a good spot now after General's Handbook 2017.

You need to check out the work of Tom Lyons, the cohost of the warhammer weekly youtube show. He has been running a mixed order list made up of all the dwarves with a large dispossessed bias.
He came 7th at Adepticon this year. He writes a blog on tga.

now that we got a little prev of their update for ghb18, do any1 think they have any chanse as a stand alone faction? https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/06/02/june-2nd-faction-focus-dispossessedgw-homepage-post-3/

i realy like dwarfs, but i HATE the steampunk and naked dwarfs, so realy my only option if i wanted to start collecting a dwarf army is dispossessed.

Honestly no. The main change is ironbreakers being battleline but all they can do is not die and look cool. Points reductions are good but they seem to be a very common change so they don't change much.