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In the new FAQ, the Ultramarines warlord trait (for regaining command points on a 5+) works only "Whilst your Warlord is on the battlefield". I think that some other armies have rules with similar wording.

My question is: if the warlord is in a transport, does that count as being on the battlefield? Assuming of course that the transport is not in reserve and is already on the table.

No, the warlord is off battlefield. Futhermore, a model in transport cannot be affected or affect by any abilities - all abilities cease to function unless the ability specifically states otherwise.

The faq calls out that models embarked in a transport are set up on the table under tactical reinforcements for the main rulebook faq may 2018.

Which may be only for tactical reserves, but the unit is certainly on the battlefield at the time it's deployed in a transport per said faq.

blaktoof wrote:
The faq calls out that models embarked in a transport are set up on the table under tactical reinforcements for the main rulebook faq may 2018.

Which may be only for tactical reserves, but the unit is certainly on the battlefield at the time it's deployed in a transport per said faq.

As per TacRes beta rules, it tells you to count the nodels embarked in the transport for the purpose of determining whether how many units are 'deployed.' Nowhere in the said rule tells you that models embarked on the transports are 'on battlefield' status.

Remember, [on the battlefield] =/= [deployed].

 skchsan wrote:

blaktoof wrote:
The faq calls out that models embarked in a transport are set up on the table under tactical reinforcements for the main rulebook faq may 2018.

Which may be only for tactical reserves, but the unit is certainly on the battlefield at the time it's deployed in a transport per said faq.

As per TacRes beta rules, it tells you to count the nodels embarked in the transport for the purpose of determining whether how many units are 'deployed.' Nowhere in the said rule tells you that models embarked on the transports are 'on battlefield' status.

Remember, [on the battlefield] =/= [deployed].

The rules for tactical reserves literally state they are deployed and setup on the battlefield field.

Further the FAQ literally states:

, if you set up three units in a transport on
the battlefield, you could set up four other units to arrive
during the game

.

If you setup three units Ina transport on the battlefield.

The three units in the transport are deployed and are literally stated as being setup on the battlefield field in order to fulfill having 4 units setup on the battlefield per the tactical reserves rule to have four units deployed to tactical reserves.

You are correct when you say deployed does not equal battlefield. Units can be deployed to the battlefield, or deployed to tactical reserves and get setup infiltrating, teleporting, etc., and per the faq units deployed in a transport, are setup on the battlefield.

blaktoof wrote:

 skchsan wrote:

blaktoof wrote:
The faq calls out that models embarked in a transport are set up on the table under tactical reinforcements for the main rulebook faq may 2018.

Which may be only for tactical reserves, but the unit is certainly on the battlefield at the time it's deployed in a transport per said faq.

As per TacRes beta rules, it tells you to count the nodels embarked in the transport for the purpose of determining whether how many units are 'deployed.' Nowhere in the said rule tells you that models embarked on the transports are 'on battlefield' status.

Remember, [on the battlefield] =/= [deployed].

The rules for tactical reserves literally state they are deployed and setup on the battlefield field.

Further the FAQ literally states:

, if you set up three units in a transport on
the battlefield, you could set up four other units to arrive
during the game

.

If you setup three units Ina transport on the battlefield.

The three units in the transport are deployed and are literally stated as being setup on the battlefield field in order to fulfill having 4 units setup on the battlefield per the tactical reserves rule to have four units deployed to tactical reserves.

Again, [on the battlefield] =/= [deployed]

You can be [deployed] and [off the battlefield]. You are reverting to the classic "rectangle is a square' fallacy.

In your example via FAQ, three units are [deployed] [off battlefield] embarked in a transport while the transport itself is [deployed] [on battlefield]. You now have four total [deployed] units, which is the only state the tacres cares about as clarified via beta rules.

if you are [on battlefield], you are necessarilly [deployed]. This does not mean that if you are [deployed], you are [on the battlefield].

 skchsan wrote:

blaktoof wrote:

 skchsan wrote:

blaktoof wrote:
The faq calls out that models embarked in a transport are set up on the table under tactical reinforcements for the main rulebook faq may 2018.

Which may be only for tactical reserves, but the unit is certainly on the battlefield at the time it's deployed in a transport per said faq.

As per TacRes beta rules, it tells you to count the nodels embarked in the transport for the purpose of determining whether how many units are 'deployed.' Nowhere in the said rule tells you that models embarked on the transports are 'on battlefield' status.

Remember, [on the battlefield] =/= [deployed].

The rules for tactical reserves literally state they are deployed and setup on the battlefield field.

Further the FAQ literally states:

, if you set up three units in a transport on
the battlefield, you could set up four other units to arrive
during the game

.

If you setup three units Ina transport on the battlefield.

The three units in the transport are deployed and are literally stated as being setup on the battlefield field in order to fulfill having 4 units setup on the battlefield per the tactical reserves rule to have four units deployed to tactical reserves.

Again, [on the battlefield] =/= [deployed]

You can be [deployed] and [off the battlefield]. You are reverting to the classic "rectangle is a square' fallacy.

Q: The Tactical Reserves matched play rule states that at least half the total number of units in my army must be set up on the battlefield during Deployment. If I have units embarked in a transport, do they count against the number of units I have to set up during Deployment? If, for example, I have a Valkyrie with three units embarked inside it that will arrive on the battlefield during the game, how many other units do I need to set up during Deployment to satisfy the Tactical Reserves rule?

A: Yes, embarked units count as units in your army, so must be counted when referring to this rule. If you have three units embarked inside a transport that will arrive during the game, you need to set up at least four other units on the battlefield during Deployment – equivalently, if you set up three units in a transport on the battlefield, you could set up four other units to arrive during the game.

RAW units in transports are setup on the battlefield.

This of course has no wording on interaction to what abilities embarked units can use, but units deployed in transports are set up on the battlefield. Adding your commentary and ignoring that it specifically calls out set up on the battlefield is not really productive unless you just want to feel like you have the right answer regardless of what the correct statement actually is.

Talkabout Ad Hominem.

You're currently reading the sentence "if youset up three units in a transport on the battlefield" as to mean you've set up three units and the transport on the battlefield.

A correct interpretation via English language is that the noun " three units" are inside the noun "transport on the battlefield". It isnt that three units and the transport is set up on the battlefield, but rather the three units are put inside the transport that is on the battlefield. If units are deployed inside a transport that is set up on the battlefield, they count towards the number of [deployed] units. This is exactly why if you put three units inside a transport in reserve do not count towards having units deployed becuase the transport itself is not [deployed] and is in TacRes locale. All that thr FAQ and the beta rule serves is that starting units embarked does not reduce the total number of units your army starts with.

Let's try to keep this civil and stop attacking the poster.

 skchsan wrote:
Talkabout Ad Hominem.

You're currently reading the sentence "if youset up three units in a transport on the battlefield" as to mean you've set up three units and the transport on the battlefield.

A correct interpretation via English language is that the noun " three units" are inside the noun "transport on the battlefield". It isnt that three units and the transport is set up on the battlefield, but rather the three units are put inside the transport that is on the battlefield. If units are deployed inside a transport that is set up on the battlefield, they count towards the number of [deployed] units. This is exactly why if you put three units inside a transport in reserve do not count towards having units deployed becuase the transport itself is not [deployed] and is in TacRes locale. All that thr FAQ and the beta rule serves is that starting units embarked does not reduce the total number of units your army starts with.

Let's try to keep this civil and stop attacking the poster.

A correct interpretation would be that you have setup the transport an the three units on the battlefield, as that is what it says in the English language.

Further the actual context and rules as written go on to discuss how you need 4 units setup on the battlefield to have 4 units in tactical reserves in the quote above. If the three units are deployed but not setup on the battlefield why would they:
1- say they are setup on the battlefield.
2- Use the four units (3 in transport and 1 transport) as an example of how many units you need setup on the battlefield to have 4 tactical reserves.

There are four units setup in the battlefield, 3 are in the transport. You are completely wrong in every way and your nonsense discussion on what is correct English has no merit or point in this matter as it is clearly written then clearly spelled out with actual examples on how 4 units setup on the table = 4 units you can setup in tactical reserves, and those 4 units are the 1 transport and the 3 units inside of them all of which are set up on the battlefield., let it go.

blaktoof wrote:
The faq calls out that models embarked in a transport are set up on the table under tactical reinforcements for the main rulebook faq may 2018.

Which may be only for tactical reserves, but the unit is certainly on the battlefield at the time it's deployed in a transport per said faq.

You are more than welcomed to start another thread about the legitimacy of your claims, but going back to the OP as well as your speculations on whether it's only for "at the time it's deployed in a transport," a rule that requires a model with the said rule to be on the battlefield cannot be claimed when the model with the said rule is inside a transport.

Stop trying to derail the thread with a month old discussion.

OrkPlayer137 wrote:
In the new FAQ, the Ultramarines warlord trait (for regaining command points on a 5+) works only "Whilst your Warlord is on the battlefield". I think that some other armies have rules with similar wording.

My question is: if the warlord is in a transport, does that count as being on the battlefield? Assuming of course that the transport is not in reserve and is already on the table.

The warlord is on the battlefield while embarked.

Embarked units cannot normally do anything or be affected in any way while embarked. Unless specifically stated abilities of embarked units do not affect other units.

Due to the transport rules for embarked units: Unless the warlord trait specifically states it works while embarked, it does not work while embarked regardless of if the warlord is on the table or not while being embarked.

skchsan has it right. If you are embarked, you are removed from the battlefield.

I Think it comes down to puncutation and wording.

Brilliant Stratagist

Once per battle, if your Warlord is on the battlefield, you can re-roll a single hit roll, wound roll, damage roll or saving throw. In addition, if your army is Battle-forged, roll a D6 each time you use a stratagem; on a 5+ you gain a Command point.

There is two ways to interprit and two outcomes.

1) Requirements for the command point gain > On the battle field + Battle forged. In this scenario no you do not get while in transport as requirements not met. BCB and others are right, Units/HQ's in transport for rule purposes do not count as on the battlefield.

2) Requirement for the one free re-roll is that your Warlord has to be on the battlefield. The only requirement to get the command point back is that your army has to be battleforged, in which it doesn't matter if on the field or not, only requirement is the army to be battleforged (providing they are alive of course).

Personally I am thought to lean towards cenario two as Punctuations puts a period between the two benefits, as such they are not joined requirements otherwise it would be a comma or semi colon.

Feel free to disagree as I can see how others will read it especially as other languages etc may throw this out the window or just how people understand their dialect of English.

Thanks for the replies. It is clearer to me now.

Speaking of "on the battlefield"...

I once had somebody in our local GW store say, that "on the battlefield" could be taken quite literally. The model is on the battlefield for any and all rules purposes if it, or its base, makes physical contact with the playing surface, or a piece of terrain on it. Without that physical contact, the model is not on the battlefield and rules that rely on this do not work / do not apply. The one saying this was not a GW employee, but even the shop manager fullheartedly agreed.

Is that (still) accurate and/or applicable?

 Lord Xcapobl wrote:
Speaking of "on the battlefield"...

I once had somebody in our local GW store say, that "on the battlefield" could be taken quite literally. The model is on the battlefield for any and all rules purposes if it, or its base, makes physical contact with the playing surface, or a piece of terrain on it. Without that physical contact, the model is not on the battlefield and rules that rely on this do not work / do not apply. The one saying this was not a GW employee, but even the shop manager fullheartedly agreed.

Is that (still) accurate and/or applicable?

Yes, this is the stance the RAW camp here takes. The concept of "on the battlefield" is literal despite what 'common sense' would dictate otherwise.

 Lord Xcapobl wrote:
Speaking of "on the battlefield"...

I once had somebody in our local GW store say, that "on the battlefield" could be taken quite literally. The model is on the battlefield for any and all rules purposes if it, or its base, makes physical contact with the playing surface, or a piece of terrain on it. Without that physical contact, the model is not on the battlefield and rules that rely on this do not work / do not apply. The one saying this was not a GW employee, but even the shop manager fullheartedly agreed.

Is that (still) accurate and/or applicable?

That is what the rules say, yes. If it's deployed somewhere else, or embarked, then they are not on the battlefield.