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Can you move/ deploy on a void shield generator - it has flat platforms and no battlements rule like a bastion that would prevent it.

U02dah4 wrote:
Can you move/ deploy on a void shield generator - it has flat platforms and no battlements rule like a bastion that would prevent it.

The core rules prevent it. "It doesn't say I can't" is not a valid rules argument. It doesn't say I can't slap my buttocks with aged brie in order to automatically pass morale checks either.

Models cannot be placed on top of or walk through other models. This includes fortifications, unless a special rule of the fortification says otherwise. The Void Shield Generator does not say otherwise.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

U02dah4 wrote:
Can you move/ deploy on a void shield generator - it has flat platforms and no battlements rule like a bastion that would prevent it.

The core rules prevent it. "It doesn't say I can't" is not a valid rules argument. It doesn't say I can't slap my buttocks with aged brie in order to automatically pass morale checks either.

Models cannot be placed on top of or walk through other models. This includes fortifications, unless a special rule of the fortification says otherwise. The Void Shield Generator does not say otherwise.

Agreed. It's a model, not terrain. No models are allowed on models without express permission.

That said, if you're not using it in your army, you could absolutely use the model as a neutral terrain piece the way you might woods or ruins, in which case, clarify with your opponent.

Just wondering in the context of discusions elsewhere was does it say you can't move ontop of another model

"It cannot be moved through other models or through terrain features such as walls," however it doesnt say that you can't move on top of.

It also gives you permission to go up and a long "-A model can be moved in any direction, to a distance, in inches, equal to or
less than the Move characteristic on its datasheet"

For deployment it says "Models must be set up in their
own deployment zone, more than 12" from the enemy
deployment zone." But doesnt specify a distance from own models so why not on top.

So, I deploy a Dreadnought on top of a Rhino.

I then move the Rhino forward farther than the Dreadnought can move.

What happens? Does the Dreadnought stay floating in the air? Does it move with the Rhino? What happens?

 JNAProductions wrote:
So, I deploy a Dreadnought on top of a Rhino.

I then move the Rhino forward farther than the Dreadnought can move.

What happens? Does the Dreadnought stay floating in the air? Does it move with the Rhino? What happens?

I know what it can't do, move vertically down because that counts as movement.

 JNAProductions wrote:
So, I deploy a Dreadnought on top of a Rhino.

I then move the Rhino forward farther than the Dreadnought can move.

What happens? Does the Dreadnought stay floating in the air? Does it move with the Rhino? What happens?

What do you mean what happens? Of course it moves with the Rhino, why wouldn't it? The rules are pretty clear: The Dreadnought hasn't been chosen to move, and so isn't the unit in question, and it would be impossible to keep stationary because it can't hover, so the only logical option left is that it stays atop the rhino.

Then, after the Rhino moves, the Dreadnought can be selected to move - just make sure you measure the vertical distance when hopping off the Rhino.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
So, I deploy a Dreadnought on top of a Rhino.

I then move the Rhino forward farther than the Dreadnought can move.

What happens? Does the Dreadnought stay floating in the air? Does it move with the Rhino? What happens?

What do you mean what happens? Of course it moves with the Rhino, why wouldn't it? The rules are pretty clear: The Dreadnought hasn't been chosen to move, and so isn't the unit in question, and it would be impossible to keep stationary because it can't hover, so the only logical option left is that it stays atop the rhino.

Then, after the Rhino moves, the Dreadnought can be selected to move - just make sure you measure the vertical distance when hopping off the Rhino.

Can't tell if sarcasm...

If serious... Consider the implications of that.

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
So, I deploy a Dreadnought on top of a Rhino.

I then move the Rhino forward farther than the Dreadnought can move.

What happens? Does the Dreadnought stay floating in the air? Does it move with the Rhino? What happens?

What do you mean what happens? Of course it moves with the Rhino, why wouldn't it? The rules are pretty clear: The Dreadnought hasn't been chosen to move, and so isn't the unit in question, and it would be impossible to keep stationary because it can't hover, so the only logical option left is that it stays atop the rhino.

Then, after the Rhino moves, the Dreadnought can be selected to move - just make sure you measure the vertical distance when hopping off the Rhino.

Can't tell if sarcasm...

If serious... Consider the implications of that.

1) I'm serious, as it's a logical conclusion.

2) I understand the implications and reserve the right to not play anyone using this "logical" interpretation, so it's not going to be a problem. Even at tournament's I'll outright concede and then look for a pickup game on the table - but only after my erstwhile opponent has finished deploying.

So, if you move the Dreadnought on top of the Rhino, then move the Rhino, what happens? You can't select the Dread to move again. The game breaks, welcome to club, Celestine is your barlady.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
So, I deploy a Dreadnought on top of a Rhino.

I then move the Rhino forward farther than the Dreadnought can move.

What happens? Does the Dreadnought stay floating in the air? Does it move with the Rhino? What happens?

What do you mean what happens? Of course it moves with the Rhino, why wouldn't it? The rules are pretty clear: The Dreadnought hasn't been chosen to move, and so isn't the unit in question, and it would be impossible to keep stationary because it can't hover, so the only logical option left is that it stays atop the rhino.

Then, after the Rhino moves, the Dreadnought can be selected to move - just make sure you measure the vertical distance when hopping off the Rhino.

Can't tell if sarcasm...

If serious... Consider the implications of that.

1) I'm serious, as it's a logical conclusion.

2) I understand the implications and reserve the right to not play anyone using this "logical" interpretation, so it's not going to be a problem. Even at tournament's I'll outright concede and then look for a pickup game on the table - but only after my erstwhile opponent has finished deploying.

Where in the rules does it tell you what to do when the ground under a model moves? If you can point that out, I'll concede you have a point. If not... That's just wrong.

Especially since this is basically a guaranteed first-turn charge for anything on top of a vehicle.

You can not deploy on top of another model...

On top of a rhino is not in the deployment zone it is above it. (Ruins are a part of the terrain so you should be able to deploy on the upper levels of them).

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
So, I deploy a Dreadnought on top of a Rhino.

I then move the Rhino forward farther than the Dreadnought can move.

What happens? Does the Dreadnought stay floating in the air? Does it move with the Rhino? What happens?

What do you mean what happens? Of course it moves with the Rhino, why wouldn't it? The rules are pretty clear: The Dreadnought hasn't been chosen to move, and so isn't the unit in question, and it would be impossible to keep stationary because it can't hover, so the only logical option left is that it stays atop the rhino.

Then, after the Rhino moves, the Dreadnought can be selected to move - just make sure you measure the vertical distance when hopping off the Rhino.

Can't tell if sarcasm...

If serious... Consider the implications of that.

Or, take it the other way. A unit of Fire Warriors climb on top of a Wraithknight, who then moves forward to get everyone in range to blast a juicy target.

A corollary to the dread/rhino situation would be a Wraithlords surfing on top of a Falcon or Fire Prism. If somebody modeled a Wraithlord in a proper surfing pose I'd even be tempted to let them do it.

This of course, all ends up with Warbosses standing on top of Deffdreds or Meka Dreds. Not as funny as watching an Ork character ride on top of a Grot Tank to get into battle, however.

BaconCatBug wrote:So, if you move the Dreadnought on top of the Rhino, then move the Rhino, what happens? You can't select the Dread to move again. The game breaks, welcome to club, Celestine is your barlady.

Why can't you select the Dread to move? It hasn't been selected yet this turn, and you have explicit permission to select a unit that hasn't already been selected.

JNAProductions wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
So, I deploy a Dreadnought on top of a Rhino.

I then move the Rhino forward farther than the Dreadnought can move.

What happens? Does the Dreadnought stay floating in the air? Does it move with the Rhino? What happens?

What do you mean what happens? Of course it moves with the Rhino, why wouldn't it? The rules are pretty clear: The Dreadnought hasn't been chosen to move, and so isn't the unit in question, and it would be impossible to keep stationary because it can't hover, so the only logical option left is that it stays atop the rhino.

Then, after the Rhino moves, the Dreadnought can be selected to move - just make sure you measure the vertical distance when hopping off the Rhino.

Can't tell if sarcasm...

If serious... Consider the implications of that.

1) I'm serious, as it's a logical conclusion.

2) I understand the implications and reserve the right to not play anyone using this "logical" interpretation, so it's not going to be a problem. Even at tournament's I'll outright concede and then look for a pickup game on the table - but only after my erstwhile opponent has finished deploying.

Where in the rules does it tell you what to do when the ground under a model moves? If you can point that out, I'll concede you have a point. If not... That's just wrong.

Especially since this is basically a guaranteed first-turn charge for anything on top of a vehicle.

The Rhino does not count as the ground under the Dreadnought. The Rhino moved, the Dreadnought also "moved" in the physical space sense, but has not moved according to the Warhammer rules, as to move a unit must first be selected by definition. It's deductive.

once the rhino moved you called always use the wobbly model rule as the dreadnaught cannot balance on a rhino thats no longer there

U02dah4 wrote:
once the rhino moved you called always use the wobbly model rule as the dreadnaught cannot balance on a rhino thats no longer there

Since it can not be there in the first place, this is a moot point.