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Made in gb
Fresh-Faced New User




I can't see on the board these specific questions being asked but these two issues came up in a game I was playing this weekend with regards to the recent FAQ update on charging units in ruins.
My opponent had two units up on the first floor of a ruin. A unit of 5 scouts and a unit of 10 longclaws, in two ranks taking up all of the space. I was attacking with a unit of 7 Drukhari Reaver jetbikes.

In the shooting phase I killed 4 of the scouts in the front rank and those models were removed and a couple of longclaws which were taken from the back rank. I then said I was charging only to be told by my opponent that the charge was invalid and he gave two reasons.

1) he claimed that my jetbikes could not take the place of the scouts as they were on 25mm bases and the jetbikes on 32mm would therefore not fit. My take was that they didn't have to fit entirely and could overhang a bit just as long as there was room for most of the base. He wouldn't have it. It had to be the whole base or it didn't count.

2) OK I then pointed out I could fly over the first rank and place my bikes in the space vacated by the longclaws on 32 mm bases, No was the answer as his interpretation of the FAQ from the line in bold is that if the entire unit, every model can't make it into combat it is a failed charge.

"If a unit declares a charge against an enemy unit that is
entirely on the upper level of a terrain feature such as a ruin,
Sector Mechanicus structure, etc., but it cannot physically end
its charge move within 1" of any models from that unit (either
because there is not enough room to place the charging unit
, or
because the charging unit is unable to end its move on the upper
levels of that terrain feature because of the expanded terrain
rules for it – as with ruins, for example), does that charge fail?"


I let it slide on the day as I play to have fun and find protracted arguments spoil my enjoyment but I have since had a bit of a rules debate with the player as I don't agree with there interpretation but they aren't changing there stance. So what are the communities thoughts on this? Is he right

   
Made in gb
Norn Queen






This exact question has been debated to death.

The short answer is we don't know and it always devolves into Chocolate Pudding slinging matches.

However, on point 1 he is wrong. Nowhere does it say you have to place your entire base on the ruin level, just that you have to place it.

This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2018/05/17 12:15:06


 
   
Made in gb
Longtime Dakkanaut




Quick side question of do the rules allow your reavers to be on an upper floor of a ruin as I don't believe they are classified as infantry?
   
Made in gb
Norn Queen






Ice_can wrote:
Quick side question of do the rules allow your reavers to be on an upper floor of a ruin as I don't believe they are classified as infantry?
They have the FLY keyword.
   
Made in gb
Fresh-Faced New User




They have the fly keyword so I believe they are allowed
   
Made in us
Longtime Dakkanaut





On the second point, ask your opponent if he considers it a failed charge if some, but not every, model makes it to within 1" of the enemy unit when both units are on level ground. What you bolded doesn't change the criteria for a successful charge to be only one model getting to within 1" of the enemy unit. If one of your models makes it that close then the unit is considered to have made it within 1".
   
 
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