Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

So I play necrons and chaos daemons and I recently noticed they recently changed the base size that come with all daemon troops choices, and some elites like flamers from 25mm to 32mm? I was just wondering what people normally do about this if this has happened before? As far as AoS is concerned from what I understand you measure from model to model but for 40K, I wasn't sure if they are still legal to bring as technically this affects movements, and piling in's, who can fight, etc. I was told for matched play tournaments you have to play with the new bases that come in the new kits but wasn't sure what regular player do about this?

Measuring between models is done from the closest point of one base to the closest point of the other, or hull where appropriate. 8th doesn't have any specific rules on base sizes.

Use the bases the models came with. If you're playing in any tournaments you should check with the organiser of course as they may have their own rules. 32mm instead of 25mm, or vice versa, should really not be a big deal for ordinary gaming purposes, and for tournaments as I say the organisers will be able to direct you accordingly.

I have never encountered any actual event that called someone out for not having the most current bases. Most players don't even notice.
If you want your models on 25mm and they once came that way, go for it.
If you actually like models being on 32mm, but you've got an older box that had 25mm? Go right ahead and buy some 32mm and use those.

Essentally if boils down to this: Marines, Necrons and some Daemons once came on 25mm and are now on 32mm. This gives you all the permission you need to use which ever of the 2 sizes you deem appropriate.

I, for example, refuse to put T3 Deamons on 32mm bases, while at the same time, Necron Warrior really do look better on them. That's my opinion and I am fully justified in bases the models as such.
TOs actually do not (or rather should not) have the ability to enforce this kind of ruling. If they do, they can also tell you that all Eldar players must take lists that are 500pts below the tourney limit or that any Purple painted Marine are disqualified. It would be that ridiculous.

-
-

 Galef wrote:
I have never encountered any actual event that called someone out for not having the most current bases. Most players don't even notice.
If you want your models on 25mm and they once came that way, go for it.
If you actually like models being on 32mm, but you've got an older box that had 25mm? Go right ahead and buy some 32mm and use those.

Essentally if boils down to this: Marines, Necrons and some Daemons once came on 25mm and are now on 32mm. This gives you all the permission you need to use which ever of the 2 sizes you deem appropriate.

I, for example, refuse to put T3 Deamons on 32mm bases, while at the same time, Necron Warrior really do look better on them. That's my opinion and I am fully justified in bases the models as such.
TOs actually do not (or rather should not) have the ability to enforce this kind of ruling. If they do, they can also tell you that all Eldar players must take lists that are 500pts below the tourney limit or that any Purple painted Marine are disqualified. It would be that ridiculous.

-
-

Adepticon rules require current base sizes - just an example. http://www.adepticon.org/wpfiles/2018/2018model.pdf

That's not to say individual TO's or opponents might ignore it if they can, but it's a thing in at least one place.

In my experience older models are usually accepted on their orginal base size provided they are round bases. (I had some square base stuff). The only time I've seen people gets antsy is when someone puts newer models on smaller bases - probably because it reeeks of modeling for advantage.

The number of situations in which my marines would have benefited from a 25mm base are pretty small. I can only think of 2 instances - and one of those involve primaris, who have never had a 25mm base anyway.

the problem with the smaller base sizes in tournaments is that you can get more guys in the close combat phase (all models within 2" of a guys that can hit) Especially for guys like bloodletters that can deepstrike and have a reliable charge afterwards , large blobs on 25mm can be very nasty.
So I can understand TO asking people to rebase.

And yes this has happened before (ex. with terminators or with Fantasy=>AOS). Our store keeper calls it a classic GW move. Every x years some models change base size forcing people that have already spent hundreds of dollars on their armies and play tournaments to rebase. They have spent to much to back out now...

When in doubt, invest in some of the (sometimes cheap) base size converter rings. Search on Ebay, Wish or AliExpress for round bases at reasonable prices if you want to convert base size (but do read the full descriptions to be sure it is what you are looking for...)

Rebasing is what I did with my Necrons too, and I am about to do with my old Space Marines army, but that also kickstarted my personal journey into making silicon moulds and casting my own resin bases. Used a couple of regular 32mm bases, put sand, pva, and a few model skulls or crystals on them, and made a mould out of them.

Honestly, I wouldn't care; it's a matter of personal preference. For me, SM look waay better in 32mm, it fixes most of the "underscalling" effect regular marines have. However, if you made a cool mini like a character on a big, decorated base, I wouldn't have a problem.
Also, talking about modelling for advantage, I have the resin chaplain with jump pack that's jumping on a small rock, so it makes it taller. I usually use my rhinos to hide marines but he can be seen because of the rock. My group friends agree to accept he "cant be seen" behind a rhino or any structure that would hide a marine, just because I shouldn't have to be penalised for having a cool mini. This was key in two games against guard in which it was the last model standing for me, and it was able to hide from many nasty shots behind a container. A shame I was tabled on the second game because of a cheesy basilisk...

Which proves, that players themselves and GW in the design stage of the miniatures can even model for disadvantage in a way.

Official stance from GW: Use base it was originally supplied with. So you don't have to rebase if you don't want to. End result: I have played against hive tyrants with 40mm square bases.

Individual tournaments and their house rules are another thing.

Me? I'll never rebase one model. If somebody complain I'll just tell him he can buy the parts and rebase to minimum of same quality without damaging model/paint job and we'll talk. If he declines...Well if he's unwilling to do that why he expect I would be willing? Wasted money, time and possibly damage the model just for his benefit? As if.

Choices, choices.
I guess official tournament organisers can choose to enforce a base size. Choice contrary to that is to attend that tournament, or not.

With regards to my choice of bases and GW's official stance of using the bases supplied... what if you do things like I did? Order bits (kilted legs) from one company, GW Cadian torso and arms bits from Ebay. No bases were supplied. Game crashes...
I used 25mm bases, as those are most often used for imperial guard infantry models. But the game still crashes at the "Use the bases supplied" clause because GW (in its arrogance perhaps?) assumes all will buy their boxes as delivered to the stores.

Also, when I buy a box of Cadian Shock Troops, I get ten 25mm bases. I then use a spare missile launcher arms set from a heavy weapons team, which I built as a heavy bolter team. What base to use for the newly built missile launcher trooper? Remember, the 25mm base was supplied.

;-)

I don't play in tournaments so I'm not really beholden to their rules, but I use a variety of basic renedra bases for my miniatures and haven't encountered any issues.

I use 25mm for my basic marines, 30mm for my terminators (Tartaros are small). I also use 30mm for my Eldar Warp Spiders and Swooping Hawks to keep them from falling over. Whatever suits the miniature.

These guys are metal and exceptionally prone to falling over when on a normal 25mm slottabase. They're very stable though upped to 30mm flat bases.

 Lord Xcapobl wrote:
Choices, choices.
I guess official tournament organisers can choose to enforce a base size. Choice contrary to that is to attend that tournament, or not.

With regards to my choice of bases and GW's official stance of using the bases supplied... what if you do things like I did? Order bits (kilted legs) from one company, GW Cadian torso and arms bits from Ebay. No bases were supplied. Game crashes...
I used 25mm bases, as those are most often used for imperial guard infantry models. But the game still crashes at the "Use the bases supplied" clause because GW (in its arrogance perhaps?) assumes all will buy their boxes as delivered to the stores.

Also, when I buy a box of Cadian Shock Troops, I get ten 25mm bases. I then use a spare missile launcher arms set from a heavy weapons team, which I built as a heavy bolter team. What base to use for the newly built missile launcher trooper? Remember, the 25mm base was supplied.

;-)

For the Scottish troopers case, the Cadian torsos and arms came in a box of Cadians that presumably had Cadians supplied to them. You're trying to kitbash figures that would use the same datasheet. The rules don't crash, use the base size that the Cadians had before their bits all got sold off separately.

In general, if you're tyring to kitbash to make models for a specific model or unit type, you should try to use the base for the models normally used for that purpose.

 doctortom wrote:

For the Scottish troopers case, the Cadian torsos and arms came in a box of Cadians that presumably had Cadians supplied to them. You're trying to kitbash figures that would use the same datasheet. The rules don't crash, use the base size that the Cadians had before their bits all got sold off separately.

In general, if you're tyring to kitbash to make models for a specific model or unit type, you should try to use the base for the models normally used for that purpose.

You seem to go past my point and imply I didn't get any 25mm bases for them. However, that simply is not the point. As such, I didn´t mention that. However, if the game would use the "Only use the bases supplied with the models" guidelines as strict rules instead, after-market kitbashing wouldn't be possible in a lot of instances, as more often than not, it doesn't even provide a single base, especially when different parts can come from different sources even if they are all GW parts.

Also, using bases supplied as opposed to "you use the datasheet for an Infantry Squad, so you must use the same bases as an infantry squad is normally supplied with" also comes apart with my buying a set of 20 Bloodreavers, chopping off one hand weapon to be replaced by an autopistol, and sticking them on their supplied 32mm bases (?) to be used as Khorne-marked Chaos Cultists in my World Eaters army. Do I use the supplied 32mm bases as the guidelines tell? Or do you want to make a case for swapping them back to 25mm as these models will be used as Chaos Cultists, and Chaos Cultists are on 25mm?

Add to that, breaking the game (rules crashing) will not be in a literal sense. I am not some moron!
It's just that I probably would have liked just a tad more guidelines for basing miniatures than "use what is provided", as such a blanket statement is very easily taken apart, as I would hope to have made clear.

GW don’t write rules for other companies’ models or models assembled with third party bitz, nor do they write rules for conversions. If you’re using Victoria Minis or AoS conversions use some common sense plus some Rule Of Cool. Approximate the official 40K kits’ current base sizes where you can and it’s happy days.