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Two part question.

Part 1: Can my own models block my other models' line of sight? If a Land Raider is in front of a Havoc unit and the Havocs cannot see their target unless the Land Raider is temporarily removed, can they fire their shots? I know you can shoot through infantry, but it feels a little less clear if the model completely blocks LoS.

Part 2: Are models played "as they are originally modeled" or played "as they are actually modeled?" My Bloodthirster is standing on a pile of skulls and is pretty tall and can therefore be seen over larger terrain. Can I tell people who are only able to see his head that he's actually about a head shorter than he appears, therefore if you can only see his head you can't see him at all?

My friend's Tomb Stalker looks like this:



Is he blocking LoS from the Warriors behind him?

1) Yes, your own models block LOS. The only ones that don't are models in the same unit as the model trying to fire. The Tomb Stalker will block some of the Warriors, LOS is checked on a model by model basis.

2) You use the physical, real model in all respects, unless you decide to house rule otherwise (but that applies to literally anything).

Part 1: You can shoot through models in your own UNIT as if they were not there. However, if any model's LoS is block for any other reason, than it is block. So those Havoc cannot fire if their LR is blocking their LoS. You cannot "remove" the LR to unblock the LoS.

Part 2: Models are played "as they are actually modeled". To do otherwise would be difficult as you would have to "imagine" the actually silhouette of the model. Just trace LoS as it is on the table at the moment.

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What is your opinion on the above modeled Tomb Stalker?

Is it fair to ask my Necron player to keep in mind that the Rhino on its base blocks line of sight? The Tomb Stalker is not even a vehicle, but that Rhino really elevates it and creates a wall. Conversely, he can hide small units behind such a mini.

How would you deal with this if he was your opponent in a friendly/casual encounter?

Yeah, it blocks LoS. It's really a trade-off. The Stalker is elevated improving its LoS, but it also makes it harder to claim cover and it blocks the LoS of the warriors behind it. It also means he can hide units behind it to protect them.

Let me ask this rhetorical question: Does your opponent have an "unaltered" Stalker model that can be swapped out at any given time to trace LoS?
If not, there is no way to "estimate" that LoS accurately. This is why we must, in all cases, use the true LoS were are given.

Now, if you think this gives him some sort of advantage (it doesn't) you are well within your rights to refuse to play against that model if you think it is considered "modeling for advantage".
Or, just, ya know, roll with it. It's not a big deal and well done models should be encouraged, not discouraged.

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Its a bit modelling for advantage. But there is also a downside to it. Its easier to draw LOS to it.

So, another friend of mine bought that model off forge world, built and painted it, and gave it to him as a birthday present. It's certainly not modeling for advantage, it's just for the cool factor. We don't have another and I just want to know what the fairest way to use it would be.

I told them that you use the model as is, but they were adamant that you treat models how they're suppose to be modeled, not how they are. I'm pretty sure that's not a rule at all, anywhere.

His model is modeled for disadvantage, just like my Bloodthirster and Demon Prince. So we're all good. It's not hard to avoid blocking LoS, it's just something he'll need to keep in mind.

 Kharneth wrote:
His model is modeled for disadvantage, just like my Bloodthirster and Demon Prince. So we're all good.

Exactly. Yes, he can hide models behind it easier, but the model itself blocks those models from seeing much and it will receive cover much less.
The easiest, most fair, and correct within the rules way to handle this, is to draw LoS to and from the model as it is, not how it's "supposed" to be.

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