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**JmOz01**

It might be my perception and not the truth but it seems to me that Rough Riders are considered less than great troops. However, as I consider getting my guard up to a brigade, and looking at the fast attack options I find that I really like the idea of them (but have not used or seen them used)...so thought I would start a discussion about them.

My prefered unit would be a 5 man squad w/two plasma guns and the sgt having a plasma pistol

PRO

Relatively cheap, 50 points base cost, tied for second cheapest option for fast attack (Tied with armored sentinel, beat by Scout Sentinel). Fully kitted unit of 5 is 80 points...my preferred unit is 65 points

Limited Deep strike

2 wounds each, movement 10

14 attacks: 4x +2 S, d3 damage (on charge); x10 s3 d1 attacks

Cons

T3, 5+ save

No orders

To me the pro's outweig the con's...but would like expert opinionss

**fe40k**

Rough Riders are perfectly fine models.

Their only real con is being placed in the Imperial faction, which has more/better troop choices valuewise.

This doesn't make them "bad".

Like everything IG, they're great for the prices.

**Elbows**

The rule of cool says yes.

The rule of the game says they'll die super duper easy...but as you said they're cheap and fun. I say go with it. Guard, within their own ranks, don't have access to a ton of deepstrike (outflanking) units, so why not add some. I mean three squads is less than 200 points, so go for it. I would do some Imperial Guard with Rough Riders if anyone made decent models.

**Alpharius Walks**

Scout Sentinels are better for area denial but I tend to bring Rough Riders just for the fun factor. They can do work in ITC or maelstrom as far as grabbing objectives as well.

The 2 wounds and weapon options do allow them to bully shooting units while tarpitting even MEQs although you may need to be above minimum size to do that reliably and effectively.

I find that players tend to overreact to units they are not familiar with or assume that they are some OP secret tech so you can play with your opponent a bit that way as well.

**JmOz01**

Alpharius Walks wrote:
Scout Sentinels are better for area denial but I tend to bring Rough Riders just for the fun factor. They can do work in ITC or maelstrom as far as grabbing objectives as well.

The 2 wounds and weapon options do allow them to bully shooting units while tarpitting even MEQs although you may need to be above minimum size to do that reliably and effectively.

I find that players tend to overreact to units they are not familiar with or assume that they are some OP secret tech so you can play with your opponent a bit that way as well.

Funny, I thought they would be underestimated more than over estimated...

As for minatures

Planning on using

Each unit will have 2 special weapons (probably Plasma Guns, maybe Grenade Launchers) and the Sarge will have a Plasma Pistol

Fenrisian wolves
Victorian Miniatures legs/weapons.shoulder pads
Cadian bodies/heads

**Alpharius Walks**

Everyone will have different experiences but mine have definitely trended towards overreaction and overcommitting resources/bad movement decisions to address the apparently frightening cavalry.

**JmOz01**

When considering the Pro's and Con's: My brigade will have 3 units. I am still debating on if I want to replace one of the Plasma guns with a grenade launcher (thus allowing for a bit of infantry removal)...Depending on how the first unit looks when done...Rule of cool/theme beats usefulness

**Mmmpi**

The biggest cons:

Don't get regimental doctrines.

If you use matched play, you only get three squads.

**JmOz01**

They can't be ordered, but they do get regimental Doctrines I thought (though not the one I am using on most of them...

Just checked, they do get RD, but not orders, further more MOST of the doctrines do not work for them, but a couple can

**Galas**

How do they get doctrines? They aren't infantry nor vehicles.

Thats why the Chaos Lords on Daemonic Mounts don't get Legion Traits.

**Alpharius Walks**

Galas wrote:
How do they get doctrines? They aren't infantry nor vehicles.

Some doctrines apply to "units" generally while others are more specific.

**Peregrine**

Galas wrote:
How do they get doctrines? They aren't infantry nor vehicles.

Thats why the Chaos Lords on Daemonic Mounts don't get Legion Traits.

Because the rule specifies that all <REGIMENT> units in an IMPERIAL GUARD detachment gain the doctrine. Most, but not all, doctrines specify INFANTRY or VEHICLE units, but the Cadian, Vostroyan and storm trooper doctrines all give some/all of their benefit to all units with the doctrine rule.

**Galas**

Oh, ok. Thanks.

**Peregrine**

Of course, as noted, none of those doctrines are terribly useful. They all buff shooting on a melee-focused unit, with the Cadian doctrine adding insult to injury by only working if you don't move with a unit which exists to move fast. Obviously you take the buff you happen to be running one of those doctrines, but it isn't worth making detachment changes just to get one.

(And if you're taking a detachment to buff them you're taking DKoK and death riders anyway.)

**JmOz01**

The doctrine I plan on taking is Vostroyan...the only affect it is having is that it affects what weapon I put on them (plasma guns)

**JohnnyHell**

Just remember to outflank with them or they die quickly.

**phydaux**

No GW box set means they won't be showing up in my IG army any time soon.

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To fill out my Brigade I went with three Armored Sentinels.