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Grav Guns are terrible. The Grav Cannon is in a better place (though you can argue about price and what it's worth in a different thread).

This thread suggestion is in the title. Make Grav Guns Assault 2 and suddenly they're worth the current price. Thoughts?

Better yet retcon out Grav weaponry and Thunderfire cannons.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Better yet retcon out Grav weaponry and Thunderfire cannons.

You can take my Thunderfire Cannons when I die.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Better yet retcon out Grav weaponry and Thunderfire cannons.

You can take my Thunderfire Cannons when I die.

Better idea: replace Thunderfire Cannons with the Rapier quad-launcher rules so you aren't forced to pay the cost of an entire Tech-priest on top of the cost of the gun, they gain a direct-fire anti-tank mode, and we don't have two models that look like they should do the same thing but don't for some reason.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Better yet retcon out Grav weaponry and Thunderfire cannons.

You can take my Thunderfire Cannons when I die.

Better idea: replace Thunderfire Cannons with the Rapier quad-launcher rules so you aren't forced to pay the cost of an entire Tech-priest on top of the cost of the gun, they gain a direct-fire anti-tank mode, and we don't have two models that look like they should do the same thing but don't for some reason.

I already do that except I keep one Thunderfire just to have the Quake Shells Strategem. Ya know, just in case.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Grav Guns are terrible. The Grav Cannon is in a better place (though you can argue about price and what it's worth in a different thread).

This thread suggestion is in the title. Make Grav Guns Assault 2 and suddenly they're worth the current price. Thoughts?

To me the thing that renders grav-guns irrelevant is that they're worse against every possible target than a plasma gun, and yet somehow more expensive. Letting them shoot two shots out to 18" rather than the two shots out to 12" of a plasma gun doesn't really help that problem (it'd help, but it wouldn't fix them enough to make anyone take them.)

I'd rather see them take a cue from the 30k grav-weapons (who are primarily distinguished by Haywire, which does a small amount of damage to vehicles very reliably) and change the d3 damage versus targets with a 3+ or better save to something like "this weapon inflicts a mortal wound in addition to normal damage if the to-wound roll equals or exceeds the target's armour save" to make them do something plasma guns can't and keep the stronger-against-heavier-armour theme they've got going. This would require an overhaul to grav-cannons to avoid turning them into an overly-effective mortal-wound-spamming mechanism, however.


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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I already do that except I keep one Thunderfire just to have the Quake Shells Strategem. Ya know, just in case.

And/or combine the two ideas, and give grav-guns a "grav-flux" stratagem that does something similar to Quake Shells?

 AnomanderRake wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Grav Guns are terrible. The Grav Cannon is in a better place (though you can argue about price and what it's worth in a different thread).

This thread suggestion is in the title. Make Grav Guns Assault 2 and suddenly they're worth the current price. Thoughts?

To me the thing that renders grav-guns irrelevant is that they're worse against every possible target than a plasma gun, and yet somehow more expensive. Letting them shoot two shots out to 18" rather than the two shots out to 12" of a plasma gun doesn't really help that problem (it'd help, but it wouldn't fix them enough to make anyone take them.)

I'd rather see them take a cue from the 30k grav-weapons (who are primarily distinguished by Haywire, which does a small amount of damage to vehicles very reliably) and change the d3 damage versus targets with a 3+ or better save to something like "this weapon inflicts a mortal wound in addition to normal damage if the to-wound roll equals or exceeds the target's armour save" to make them do something plasma guns can't and keep the stronger-against-heavier-armour theme they've got going. This would require an overhaul to grav-cannons to avoid turning them into an overly-effective mortal-wound-spamming mechanism, however.


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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I already do that except I keep one Thunderfire just to have the Quake Shells Strategem. Ya know, just in case.

And/or combine the two ideas, and give grav-guns a "grav-flux" stratagem that does something similar to Quake Shells?

It does one main thing, and that's increasing its threat range for max shots + being Assault. If you made them 13 like that, the same as a Plasma Gun, they wouldn't be too bad.

Yeah assault 2 and 13 points seems good.