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With the new FAQ for deathwatch a question game Up.
5 harlequins in a starweaver shooting at a corvus blackstar.
They get -1 to hit for the hard to hit rule.

But if the corvus have infernum halo launchers do they get another extra -1 to hit?

Im thinking No, as the harlequins dont have -fly-

From the new FAQ:

"Page 87 – Corvus Blackstar, Infernum halo-launcher
Change the ability text to read:
‘If an enemy unit that can Fly targets a supersonic
model with an infernum halo-launcher in the Shooting
phase, your opponent must subtract 1 from the
subsequent hit rolls.’"

Borchsenius wrote:
With the new FAQ for deathwatch a question game Up.
5 harlequins in a starweaver shooting at a corvus blackstar.
They get -1 to hit for the hard to hit rule.

But if the corvus have infernum halo launchers do they get another extra -1 to hit?

Im thinking No, as the harlequins dont have -fly-

From the new FAQ:

"Page 87 – Corvus Blackstar, Infernum halo-launcher
Change the ability text to read:
‘If an enemy unit that can Fly targets a supersonic
model with an infernum halo-launcher in the Shooting
phase, your opponent must subtract 1 from the
subsequent hit rolls.’"

They do not, because like you said, the Harlequins do not have FLY. Dudes shooting out of an Open Topped Transport don't become the transport. Edit: As pointed out by p5freak, the way the open topped rule is worded does indeed make the passengers the vehicles. 8thEditionLogic.voxcast

I am not sure what the rules mean by "a supersonic model", but I would hazard a guess it means "a model with the Supersonic special rule."

The open topped rule says : "Models embarked on this model can attack in their Shooting phase. Measure the range and draw line of sight from any point on this model. When they do so, any restrictions or modifiers that apply to this model also apply to its passengers..." Yes, they also get -1 to hit.

 p5freak wrote:
The open topped rule says : "Models embarked on this model can attack in their Shooting phase. Measure the range and draw line of sight from any point on this model. When they do so, any restrictions or modifiers that apply to this model also apply to its passengers..." Yes, they also get -1 to hit.

Makes sense to me!

 p5freak wrote:
The open topped rule says : "Models embarked on this model can attack in their Shooting phase. Measure the range and draw line of sight from any point on this model. When they do so, any restrictions or modifiers that apply to this model also apply to its passengers..." Yes, they also get -1 to hit.

Which is entirely bassackward since Ork Battlewagons have "this model ignores -1 to hits when moving+shooting with heavy weapons"; but apparently THAT was ruled to only apply to the model itself, and not the passengers. If it was ignored by the passengers as well, it'd give the battlewagon a real purpose in life.

Which, while I understand; it's GW's faq answer is on the RAW side of RAW vs RAI (in terms of technicalities); something I didn't think they'd do.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

Borchsenius wrote:
With the new FAQ for deathwatch a question game Up.
5 harlequins in a starweaver shooting at a corvus blackstar.
They get -1 to hit for the hard to hit rule.

But if the corvus have infernum halo launchers do they get another extra -1 to hit?

Im thinking No, as the harlequins dont have -fly-

From the new FAQ:

"Page 87 – Corvus Blackstar, Infernum halo-launcher
Change the ability text to read:
‘If an enemy unit that can Fly targets a supersonic
model with an infernum halo-launcher in the Shooting
phase, your opponent must subtract 1 from the
subsequent hit rolls.’"

They do not, because like you said, the Harlequins do not have FLY. Dudes shooting out of an Open Topped Transport don't become the transport. Edit: As pointed out by p5freak, the way the open topped rule is worded does indeed make the passengers the vehicles. 8thEditionLogic.voxcast

I am not sure what the rules mean by "a supersonic model", but I would hazard a guess it means "a model with the Supersonic special rule."

I doubt they were referring to all your models if you happened to be playing the game while flying on a Concorde.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

Borchsenius wrote:
With the new FAQ for deathwatch a question game Up.
5 harlequins in a starweaver shooting at a corvus blackstar.
They get -1 to hit for the hard to hit rule.

But if the corvus have infernum halo launchers do they get another extra -1 to hit?

Im thinking No, as the harlequins dont have -fly-

From the new FAQ:

"Page 87 – Corvus Blackstar, Infernum halo-launcher
Change the ability text to read:
‘If an enemy unit that can Fly targets a supersonic
model with an infernum halo-launcher in the Shooting
phase, your opponent must subtract 1 from the
subsequent hit rolls.’"

They do not, because like you said, the Harlequins do not have FLY. Dudes shooting out of an Open Topped Transport don't become the transport. Edit: As pointed out by p5freak, the way the open topped rule is worded does indeed make the passengers the vehicles. 8thEditionLogic.voxcast

I am not sure what the rules mean by "a supersonic model", but I would hazard a guess it means "a model with the Supersonic special rule."

To split some hairs, it doesn't necessarilly make the passengers vehicles as [vehicle] is neither restriction nor a modifier. What happens during this interaction is that if the transport which has fhe fly keyword attempts to shoot at such model, it would be subject to the -1 hit modifier per halo launcher, therefore its passengers are also affected by the -1 hit modifier.