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Hello again everyone,
my group has been interested in trying out a pre 3025 campaign and I'm trying to round up a canonical force for RWR antagonists. A lot of the material I'm finding is various shades of grey and not hard answers so I figured I'd ask here. Feel free to correct these or add to as my knowledge of RWR is fairly limited. So far what I believe is a decent list is as follows:

Dragoon, Talos, Toro, Rampage, Phoenix, Jackrabbit, Wolverine, Banshee, Assassin, Whitworth, Ymir

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The Rim Worlds Republic of the 3025 time-frame is a shadow of its former self, having been decimated by the reprisals post Star League fall and various operations mounted by the Lyran Commonwealth Armed Forces. Since the RWR spans the entire edge of House Steiner and part of House Marik you are likely to find a hodgepodge of Steiner and Marik chassis. The RWR doesn't have a standing army per se, so its more likely that these will be Periphery Bandits with equipment of dubious upkeep.

Its likely that the Phoenix and the Rampage, developed by the RWR, could have survived to the 3025 era and like the Steiner Ymir, would be extremely rare in this era. While the Dragoon is a RWR design, no known chassis survived past the 3rd Succession War having been lost to attrition over time and the design data being purged by the SLDF post Fall of the Star League. The other designs you mentioned were not made, used, or available to the RWR. The Toro and the Talos is a Taurian Design, and the Jackrabbit was a SLDF design mothballed on Terra and left to ComStar.

The other chassis that you mention (Wolverine, Banshee, Assassin and the Whitworth) would be available.

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I'm sorry I guess my post was worded unclearly. We are planning to commit to a timeline pre/before the 3025 timeline. So anything before or leading up to, not beginning at 3025. So it would most likely be a time during RWR rise to power or the height of their existence.
   
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 naxium wrote:
Hello again everyone,
my group has been interested in trying out a pre 3025 campaign and I'm trying to round up a canonical force for RWR antagonists. A lot of the material I'm finding is various shades of grey and not hard answers so I figured I'd ask here. Feel free to correct these or add to as my knowledge of RWR is fairly limited. So far what I believe is a decent list is as follows:

Dragoon, Talos, Toro, Rampage, Phoenix, Jackrabbit, Wolverine, Banshee, Assassin, Whitworth, Ymir


The Periphery sorucebook mentions that Archon Viola Steiner-Dineson was killed fighting against a large force of Warhammers and Ostsols (2595)
   
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my group has been interested in trying out a pre 3025 campaign and I'm trying to round up a canonical force for RWR antagonists.


It might be helpful if you can narrow the timeline down a bit more, some Mechs that weren't even on the drawing board in 2750 would be completely extinct by the late 2900s, but both points would be within the same general ballpark of being a pre-3025 campaign. You've mentioned the time period of when the Rim Worlds Republic was at their strongest, so I'm guessing you're thinking about somewhere between about the lead-up to the Amaris Coup and the end of the Star League Civil War so sometime roughly 2750-2780, but exactly when will matter since for example the Dragoon only entered service in 2771 (According to Sarna.net), so wouldn't be available for quite some time if your campaign was kicking off in 2750 and even when it was introduced went to elite units so probably would have only seen limited service in a more rank-and-file type outfit.

If you're intent on involving a Rim Worlds Army unit, that pretty much rules out anything past the end of Civil War in 2779 since the RWR ceased to exist as a coherent entity after Kerensky had finished with them.


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 naxium wrote:
Hello again everyone,
my group has been interested in trying out a pre 3025 campaign and I'm trying to round up a canonical force for RWR antagonists. A lot of the material I'm finding is various shades of grey and not hard answers so I figured I'd ask here. Feel free to correct these or add to as my knowledge of RWR is fairly limited. So far what I believe is a decent list is as follows:

Dragoon, Talos, Toro, Rampage, Phoenix, Jackrabbit, Wolverine, Banshee, Assassin, Whitworth, Ymir


Its likely that the Phoenix and the Rampage, developed by the RWR, could have survived to the 3025 era and like the Steiner Ymir, would be extremely rare in this era. While the Dragoon is a RWR design, no known chassis survived past the 3rd Succession War having been lost to attrition over time and the design data being purged by the SLDF post Fall of the Star League. The other designs you mentioned were not made, used, or available to the RWR. The Toro and the Talos is a Taurian Design, and the Jackrabbit was a SLDF design mothballed on Terra and left to ComStar.


If my previous assumptions were correct, taking the mechs in the OP's list:

Dragoon: Production from 2771-79, RWA exclusive but produced in small numbers and generally only issued to Elite or favoured units. Would probably be uncommon-rare even in the RWA.
Talos: Production from 2532, thousands produced with many being exported to the RWR (Among others) so should be relatively common in RWA units.
Toro: Produced from 2548-98 for the Taurian Concordat. Not impossible that battlefield salvage may have resulted in the odd example finding its way to the RWR, but should at best be very rare.
Rampage: Production dates -2G 2735, -4G 2750, -5G 2767. The -2G version should be by far the more common with both the -4G and -5G being produced in small numbers or for short times.
Phoenix: Production from 2520. RWR exclusive design, production numbers not mentioned but given that it's well established I'd expect it to be common among RWA forces
Jackrabbit: Production from 2765, pretty much exclusive to RWA forces during the Civil War, around 500 produced which would mean they could constitute somewhere roughly around 5% of the RWAs mechs so they should be fairly common in Amaris forces, IMO it wouldn't be unreasonable to encounter a Lance of Jackrabbits in a Company, assuming that they'd been grouped together to form a scouting/harassing unit as part of a larger outfit.
Ymir: Produced from 2462 to 2648. Not specifically mentioned as a RWR mech, but with getting on for 200 years of production use should be fairly widespread.
Whitworth: Production from 2610, specifically mentioned as being used in numbers by RWA so should be reasonably common.
Wolverine: Produced from 2471, originally a Davion mech so initially at least it'd be unlikely to be found in RWA units but by the time of the Civil War I'd be surprised if a good few hadn't found their way into the RWA.
Banshee: Produced from 2445-55, Terran Hegemony mech so many would likely get taken over by Amaris units following the coup.
Assassin: Production from 2676, Marik and SLDF garrison mech, so although some would probably get salvaged and repaired should probably be fairly uncommon among RWA units.

Just to put some numbers in a bit of perspective, the RWA had around 100 Regiments at the time of the Amaris Coup, so assuming 2 to 3 Battalions of mechs per Regiment (I'm guessing that some may have combined arms elements or may just be smaller than others) that gives a very rough ballpark of around 8,000 - 12,000 Battlemechs in total.

All information taken from Sarna.net

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The height of the RWR would probably be considered in the few decades before the Amaris Coup and the Liberation of Terra.

Most of the designs you listed were Age of War and early 'Mech prototypes. By the time they are at their "peak" most of the 3025 designs would be available to them except things that hadn't been made yet, like the Atlas, Hatchetman, and Merlin.

To make it interesting you can always put introtech designs like the Phoenix or Toro around. The Rampage was THE 'MECH of the RWR, it was their premier design. But as a Periphery power (even a large one) they didn't have the massive industrial base of the Great Houses.

But the key thing is to remember Battletech rule ONE: If it works for your game, go for it.

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 Mattlov wrote:
By the time they are at their "peak" most of the 3025 designs would be available to them except things that hadn't been made yet, like the Atlas...


The Atlas entered SLDF service a decade before the Amaris Coup so was being made at that time, even though it'd be highly unlikely to be seen outside of SLDF units
   
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They have access to pretty much all the designs anyone else does. In the Northwind Highlanders scenario book there is a scenario where the royal black watch regiment fights on the Ghorst Flats against the 4th Amaris dragoons and they have a smattering of everything.

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 Generalstoner wrote:
They have access to pretty much all the designs anyone else does. In the Northwind Highlanders scenario book there is a scenario where the royal black watch regiment fights on the Ghorst Flats against the 4th Amaris dragoons and they have a smattering of everything.


The 4th Dragoons had also been stationed in the Terran Hegemony for years at that point, and had always been a "premier" unit for the RWR. I would expect them to have some stuff well beyond what the standard RWR unit would have.

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Plus having access to equipment is no indicator necessarily of how likely it might be to encounter a certain type in a company sized unit, for example a Fed-Com unit based in the Steiner part of the realm would have access to Madcats throughout the 3050s, but I'd still raise a bit of an eyebrow at seeing a whole Lance of them in a Lyran company, unless there was a pretty good explanation for why they were all there in one place.

For a bit of clarification, when I refer to mechs as being Common in a faction I'm broadly saying that I wouldn't be surprised to see multiple examples in a company and perhaps whole lances. Uncommon, I'd expect no more than one or maybe two of any specific type in a company although multiple different Uncommon types might well end up serving in the same unit, but I wouldn't expect to see more than a single Rare type in a 12 Mech company as a broad general rule.

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Amaris could ask for and get whatever he wanted from Richard Cameron, and he exploited that relationship to the full.
If its available to the SLDF Royal regiments (aka all the good stuff), it is available to House Amaris elite also.

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simonr1978 wrote:Plus having access to equipment is no indicator necessarily of how likely it might be to encounter a certain type in a company sized unit, for example a Fed-Com unit based in the Steiner part of the realm would have access to Madcats throughout the 3050s, but I'd still raise a bit of an eyebrow at seeing a whole Lance of them in a Lyran company, unless there was a pretty good explanation for why they were all there in one place.

For a bit of clarification, when I refer to mechs as being Common in a faction I'm broadly saying that I wouldn't be surprised to see multiple examples in a company and perhaps whole lances. Uncommon, I'd expect no more than one or maybe two of any specific type in a company although multiple different Uncommon types might well end up serving in the same unit, but I wouldn't expect to see more than a single Rare type in a 12 Mech company as a broad general rule.

True, but there is a huge difference in unit make-up during the Star League Era and post 1st SSW unit make-up. During the Star League it wasn't uncommon for a Company of Riflemen to be in a Regiment along with a scout company of Mercuries. Admittedly, that was the Star League itself. The smaller individual realms may not have done so (mainly due to budget constraints and unit sizes), so it is important to know the when and where the question is being applied. The Rim Worlds Republic wasn't the Hegemony, but it wasn't a total slouch, either. Do you know if a MUL for RWR was ever released?

Orlanth wrote:Amaris could ask for and get whatever he wanted from Richard Cameron, and he exploited that relationship to the full.
If its available to the SLDF Royal regiments (aka all the good stuff), it is available to House Amaris elite also.

While true, it didn't do the RWR much good once Richard was assassinated and Kerensky went whole hog in crushing the the Republic.

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