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I had it come up the otherday when fighting a tesseract vault (I think) whether runts (ammo runts, grot oilers, grot orderlies) and attack squigs counted as models for the purposes of model count. The big issue was for the painboy and warboss, whose squig/runts were attached to their bases: I have the Grukk model warboss and the newest painboy model, which has the grot orderly on his back. For the ammo runts, they have their own bases. We kind of came to the conclusion that anything that had a character card was a model. All of the grot orderlies have that character card, but the attack squig did not. It was more like a weapon.

But then there was some gimmicky stuff. I was running a 10man squag of nobz, each with a ammo runt, for a 20 model count unit. My assumption would be that it would have leadership 20 because of mob rule, but that sounds super janky because it lets me easily avoid morale checks and da jump them easily because of the weirdboy's +1 to psychic tests per 10 models within so many inches of him.


Does anyone have more clarification for me? I am not sure if how I have been doing things has been right.

Cj4594 wrote:
I had it come up the otherday when fighting a tesseract vault (I think) whether runts (ammo runts, grot oilers, grot orderlies) and attack squigs counted as models for the purposes of model count. The big issue was that for the painboy and warboss, their squig/runts were attached to their bases: I have the Grukk model warboss and the newest painboy model, which has the grot orderly on his back. For the ammo runts, they have their own bases. We kind of came to the conclusion that anything that had a character card was a model. All of the grot orderlies have that character card, but the attack squig did not. It was more like a weapon.

But then there was some gimmicky stuff. I was running a 10man squag of nobz, each with a ammo runt, for a 20 model count unit. My assumption would be that it would have leadership 20 because of mob rule, but that sounds super janky because it lets me easily avoid morale checks and da jump them easily because of the weirdboy's +1 to psychic tests per 10 models within so many inches of him.


Does anyone have more clarification for me? I am not sure if how I have been doing things has been right.

Ammo Runts, Grot Oilers and Grot Orderlies are very much models with their own profile and keywords. A unit of 10 Nobz with 10 Ammo Runtz is a 20 model unit, and they all have Mob Rule, and the ORK keyword, so the leadership of the unit is 20, and help buff the Weirdboy. The rules are explicitly clear. It's no different to, say, a Crusader squad having a mix of Space Marines and Neophytes in it, or a unit of Boyz having a Boss Nob in it. You're paying points to be able to use those runts as extra wounds, so I don't see why it would be a problem.

Attack Squigs are just a wargear option for the Warboss, they aren't their own separate model.

From Stepping into a New Edition of Warhammer 40,000:

Q: Do models with profiles, such as Armorium Cherubs and Ammo Runts, count as a model for the purposes of embarking within transports or when measuring ranges to and from the unit?

A: Yes – for all rules purposes they are part of the unit.

The oilers, ammo runs, and orderlies are separate models. The bomb Squigs are models. Only the Attack Squig is wargear and doesent take up any space.

Got it, but how does it work for the Painboy, whose grot orderly is attached to the model? I've just been telling people that the grot on his back is a separate model, but it is apart of the model itself; they tend to just forget that it exists, so I've been proxxying a normal grot as a grot orderly so I can put a base on the board.

Cj4594 wrote:
Got it, but how does it work for the Painboy, whose grot orderly is attached to the model? I've just been telling people that the grot on his back is a separate model, but it is apart of the model itself; they tend to just forget that it exists, so I've been proxxying a normal grot as a grot orderly so I can put a base on the board.

The grot on his back is not a grot orderly, it's just part of the Painboy Model. If you want a grot orderly you need some sort of model to represent it. It doesn't technically have to be a gretchin model or a "real" grot orderly model (as far as the rules are concerned you can use a Baneblade model to represent it), but it is a distinct model and you must have something on the table to represent it.

The old metal painboy had a grot orderly model on a separate base. It's basically a grot holding a surgery tray over his head.

You could try finding that one on ebay, if you want an official model. Or just put a tray into some gretchin's hand.