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If I were to play a unknown chapter such as astral claws and ran them as imperial fist, could I use chapter specific stratagems such as bolter drill?

Jpat1213 wrote:
If I were to play a unknown chapter such as astral claws and ran them as imperial fist, could I use chapter specific stratagems such as bolter drill?

As long as you use all the rules for imperial fists (and no rules from say Ultramarines or any other chapter), you can call them whatever you want and they will be imperial fists.

Jpat1213 wrote:
If I were to play a unknown chapter such as astral claws and ran them as imperial fist, could I use chapter specific stratagems such as bolter drill?

While that is (I am assuming) the intent, the RaW actually doesn't allow you to do that. If you pick ASTRAL CLAWS as the keyword, and pick the Imperial Fist chapter tactic, your models now have a rule saying IMPERIAL FISTS do things, because GW forgot to give permission to change the Chapter Tactic's keyword for successor chapters.

In any case, picking a custom chapter is never a good idea because you lose out on Special Characters and Traits. Just pick the IMPERIAL FISTS keyword, it doesn't matter how your army is painted.

In the case of ASTRAL CLAWS, there are Forge World special characters you would need the keyword to unlock.

 Ghaz wrote:
In the case of ASTRAL CLAWS, there are Forge World special characters you would need the keyword to unlock.

I was looking at running astral claws as imperial fist, they have no defined origin I just wasnt sure if running them as imperiel fist gave me access to bolter drill
Ofc I would have Huron and friends


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 BaconCatBug wrote:

Jpat1213 wrote:
If I were to play a unknown chapter such as astral claws and ran them as imperial fist, could I use chapter specific stratagems such as bolter drill?

While that is (I am assuming) the intent, the RaW actually doesn't allow you to do that. If you pick ASTRAL CLAWS as the keyword, and pick the Imperial Fist chapter tactic, your models now have a rule saying IMPERIAL FISTS do things, because GW forgot to give permission to change the Chapter Tactic's keyword for successor chapters.

In any case, picking a custom chapter is never a good idea because you lose out on Special Characters and Traits. Just pick the IMPERIAL FISTS keyword, it doesn't matter how your army is painted.

Sweet thanks!

Jpat1213 wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
In the case of ASTRAL CLAWS, there are Forge World special characters you would need the keyword to unlock.

I was looking at running astral claws as imperial fist, they have no defined origin I just wasnt sure if running them as imperiel fist gave me access to bolter drill
Ofc I would have Huron and friends


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 BaconCatBug wrote:

Jpat1213 wrote:
If I were to play a unknown chapter such as astral claws and ran them as imperial fist, could I use chapter specific stratagems such as bolter drill?

While that is (I am assuming) the intent, the RaW actually doesn't allow you to do that. If you pick ASTRAL CLAWS as the keyword, and pick the Imperial Fist chapter tactic, your models now have a rule saying IMPERIAL FISTS do things, because GW forgot to give permission to change the Chapter Tactic's keyword for successor chapters.

In any case, picking a custom chapter is never a good idea because you lose out on Special Characters and Traits. Just pick the IMPERIAL FISTS keyword, it doesn't matter how your army is painted.

Sweet thanks!

RAW you can't pick IMPERIAL FISTS as your keyword AND bring the FW ASTRAL CLAWS characters, but as long as you're fine without the FW characters it's going to work just fine.

HIWPI: I'd suggest taking the Crimson Fists as an example - they clearly don't use the IF characters, relic and warlord trait (since they have their own), but they don't have their own Chapter Tactic or Stratagem - they're meant to use the IF ones. If you apply that to the Astral Claws, you get to use the AC Characters, the IF trait and stratagem, but relics and warlord traits are limited to the "basic" ones unless FW releases rules for the Astral Claws.

nekooni wrote:

Jpat1213 wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
In the case of ASTRAL CLAWS, there are Forge World special characters you would need the keyword to unlock.

I was looking at running astral claws as imperial fist, they have no defined origin I just wasnt sure if running them as imperiel fist gave me access to bolter drill
Ofc I would have Huron and friends


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 BaconCatBug wrote:

Jpat1213 wrote:
If I were to play a unknown chapter such as astral claws and ran them as imperial fist, could I use chapter specific stratagems such as bolter drill?

While that is (I am assuming) the intent, the RaW actually doesn't allow you to do that. If you pick ASTRAL CLAWS as the keyword, and pick the Imperial Fist chapter tactic, your models now have a rule saying IMPERIAL FISTS do things, because GW forgot to give permission to change the Chapter Tactic's keyword for successor chapters.

In any case, picking a custom chapter is never a good idea because you lose out on Special Characters and Traits. Just pick the IMPERIAL FISTS keyword, it doesn't matter how your army is painted.

Sweet thanks!

RAW you can't pick IMPERIAL FISTS as your keyword AND bring the FW ASTRAL CLAWS characters, but as long as you're fine without the FW characters it's going to work just fine.

HIWPI: I'd suggest taking the Crimson Fists as an example - they clearly don't use the IF characters, relic and warlord trait (since they have their own), but they don't have their own Chapter Tactic or Stratagem - they're meant to use the IF ones. If you apply that to the Astral Claws, you get to use the AC Characters, the IF trait and stratagem, but relics and warlord traits are limited to the "basic" ones unless FW releases rules for the Astral Claws.

So your saying use crimson fist chapter tactics and it will allow me to use Huron and valthex(+1 s to boltguns) and still able to use bolter drill?

Jpat1213 wrote:
So your saying use crimson fist chapter tactics and it will allow me to use Huron and valthex(+1 s to boltguns) and still able to use bolter drill?

No.

To make it super simple, you need to use the ASTRAL CLAWS keyword to gain access to Huron, and you can pick whatever Chapter Tactics you want. You won't have access to the Warlord Traits or Special Characters (like Lysander) of the Chapter Tactic you pick though.

Jpat1213 wrote:

nekooni wrote:
RAW you can't pick IMPERIAL FISTS as your keyword AND bring the FW ASTRAL CLAWS characters, but as long as you're fine without the FW characters it's going to work just fine.

HIWPI: I'd suggest taking the Crimson Fists as an example - they clearly don't use the IF characters, relic and warlord trait (since they have their own), but they don't have their own Chapter Tactic or Stratagem - they're meant to use the IF ones. If you apply that to the Astral Claws, you get to use the AC Characters, the IF trait and stratagem, but relics and warlord traits are limited to the "basic" ones unless FW releases rules for the Astral Claws.

So your saying use crimson fist chapter tactics and it will allow me to use Huron and valthex(+1 s to boltguns) and still able to use bolter drill?

No, there are no Crimson Fist chapter tactics. I'm saying that I would play it like this: Use the Imperial Fists Chapter Tactic and Stratagems and the Astral Claws Characters. No IF/CF warlord traits or relics.

by the way: TECHNICALLY you should be using Codex: Chaos Space Marines - just saying. Damn heretics.